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OJ
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Initially Posted - 07/07/2011 :  19:19:27  Show Profile
Going up the mast to install the halyard restrainer this weekend and we need to replace our tired halyards beforehand.

Sta-set is the correct choice?

The parts manual lists 35' for the rope (5/16" diameter) 29' for the wire - so I can assume 65' for an all rope halyard? The manual makes no reference to tall verse standard rig, internal verses external. I also lead the halyards through turning blocks and back to the cockpit.

Any and all comments would be appreciated!


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Response Posted - 07/07/2011 :  21:35:57  Show Profile
Not certain where I picked up this info, but it should be for a tall rig...

Mainsail halyard: 5/16"; Whipped ends: 1; Led aft: Yes, 48651 Eye splice shackle; 48651 HEADBOARD SHACKLE 1/4IN; Length: 72'

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Response Posted - 07/07/2011 :  21:53:51  Show Profile
Here's the site I used...

http://shop.sailboatowners.com/cordage/cordage.htm?cart=1310100622536114&xbrand=Catalina&next=1

Select your boat on the right side of the table, pick your options and it will give you prices and sizing.


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calden
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Response Posted - 07/07/2011 :  22:33:32  Show Profile
I just measured my standard rig for this. I counted 28' x2 =56'. Plus 2' from mast base to deck organizer, plus 5' from deck organizer to cabin top clutch, plus 3' of extra tail. totals out to 68', call it 70'. Add -what - 3 more feet for the jib halyard.

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Response Posted - 07/07/2011 :  23:58:44  Show Profile  Visit JoshMcCullock's Homepage  Send JoshMcCullock an AOL message
I was dissapointed with the Catalina Direct halyards, they're very poor. Not sure what kind of line they are but it feels cheap. They're kinda rough and stiff if you ask me. Maybe they need a couple years of use.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 07/08/2011 :  06:02:31  Show Profile
I used Sta-SetX when I replaced our wire/rope halyards with all rope, 71' led aft to the cockpit. Next time I'm going with XLE line - do an Ebay search. Sta-set has too much stretch and Sta-SetX, while very good low stretch, is a fairly stiff line. If you make the switch from wire/rope to all rope, you will need to change out the sheaves in the masthead.
For the measurement you want length of forestay + mast + 10 ft -> 31+30+10=71. Actually, I'm pretty sure I bought 68 ft. and it worked out okay.

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Response Posted - 07/10/2011 :  14:12:02  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by calden

I just measured my standard rig for this. I counted 28' x2 =56'. Plus 2' from mast base to deck organizer, plus 5' from deck organizer to cabin top clutch, plus 3' of extra tail. totals out to 68', call it 70'. Add -what - 3 more feet for the jib halyard.



OJ,

I suspect you are changing out main and jib halyards, but for what its worth I just changed out the spinnaker halyard on my tall rig (it goes thru a turning block and back to the cockpit.)

I used 80 ft of 3/8" StaSet-X I use a little longer line than I need for a Main or Jib halyard because running it back up to the bow is easier with a little extra line to play with, and I use 3/8" vs 5/16" to make it easier on my hands.

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OJ
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Response Posted - 07/10/2011 :  15:12:29  Show Profile
The WM store sales person and I were yakking away as he was measuring out the Sta-set. He had written down 75' but at the register I said "that's 75', right?" he paused. We went back and measured it again and it was 71'. I said that should be enough as I had added an extra 5' for cushion. 71' for a tall rig main sail does give you enough to bring it back to the cockpit with ~3' leftover to tie-off.

The Sta-set was great for hoisting my son up the mast to install the halyard restrainer.

Edited by - OJ on 07/10/2011 18:26:59
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Response Posted - 07/10/2011 :  18:37:36  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by JoshMcCullock

I was dissapointed with the Catalina Direct halyards, they're very poor. Not sure what kind of line they are but it feels cheap. They're kinda rough and stiff if you ask me...
I bought CD's kit for leading halyards aft, with clutches... Their halyards are Krypton Spectra--a high-tech, low-stretch rope that is correspondingly somewhat stiff. This was good for me, since the jib halyard was holding my roller-furling swivel up all season, and had to have constant tension to keep the swivel and the drum positioned properly. Under substantial tension from the winch, it did not stretch half an inch in five months. That's what I wanted. I wouldn't buy it for sheets--in fact, I wouldn't buy double-braid of any kind for sheets.

It all depends...

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Now on Eastern 27 Sarge (but still sailing).

Passage, Mystic, and Sarge--click to enlarge.

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calden
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Response Posted - 07/10/2011 :  21:53:51  Show Profile
I ordered a set of all-rope halyards and sheaves from Catalina Direct and am getting them this week. I will share my observations when I get my mast rerigged and up again, hopefully friday. I also bit the $$$ bullet and ordered new standing rigging to replace the original, but seemingly in good shape, rigging for my '83.

Carlos

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Edited by - calden on 07/10/2011 21:54:27
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Response Posted - 07/11/2011 :  14:01:25  Show Profile
This is great info to have. I ordered new shrouds and forestay from CD and was pleased to find that during the install the whole thing went together with zero problems. Everything was in the kit. I'll send them the split backstay this winter and have it matched for replacement as well.

My halyards could stand to be replaced but appear to be serviceable. I may rotate them end for end just to get a little more service life out of them. I just need to improve my splicing skills before I do the switch.

Chuck, have you had any issues with running the 3/8 line instead of 5/16?

I bought a 60' piece of 7mm Green Orion 500- FSE Robline off Ebay from Milwaukee rigging for a sample. While it appears to be very high quality stuff it seemed just a tad to small for my line clutches so I kept it around for GP use. I might make some new docklines out of it.

If I could find a deal on the same stuff in the lenghts mentioned above I would certainly try it out in 8mm(5/16). You got me thinking about trying some 3/8 line though. Maybe I'll get a sample and try it out.

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calden
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Response Posted - 07/11/2011 :  15:09:30  Show Profile
Hey all:

Just got my halyards UPS. They look great, but they are both the same color. I was anticipated at least different color flecks. So now I will have to be saying "Not THAT white line the OTHER white line!" to helpful guests. But the texture is fine and they will have much less stretch than the old rope and wire combo.

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cshaw
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Response Posted - 07/11/2011 :  17:27:22  Show Profile
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Originally posted by KeziCat

Chuck, have you had any issues with running the 3/8 line instead of 5/16?

You got me thinking about trying some 3/8 line though. Maybe I'll get a sample and try it out.



Hi Kevin,

No issues with any of the fittings on the Tall Rig Mast at all. All my Sheeves handle the 3/8" just fine.

The only issue I had was was getting some abrasion from the Garhauer double turning block's cheeks on the halyard covers. The turning block was mounted flat on the deck, but the halyards (jib and spinnaker) came into it at a slight angle from the exit sheeves in the mast (exit sheeves were higher off the deck than the turning block). There was an easy solution however. I cut and then sanded a wedge block to fit under the turning block that tilted it to allow the halyards to enter and exit the turning block sheeves in the same plane as the turning block's cheeks...

Chuck

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KeziCat
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Response Posted - 07/11/2011 :  17:58:06  Show Profile
Thanks Chuck.

Come to think of it, I have seen a little chafe from my deck organizer too. I wouldn't say it negligable. Only that I haven't "figgered" out how to change the angle to allow a more direct run...until now. You're full of good ideas.

Everybody on the forum brings something and most bring a little humor to fill in the rough spots. Thanks for adding to the mix.

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Response Posted - 07/11/2011 :  18:28:53  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by KeziCat

Thanks Chuck.

Come to think of it, I have seen a little chafe from my deck organizer too. I wouldn't say it negligable. Only that I haven't "figgered" out how to change the angle to allow a more direct run...until now. You're full of good ideas.

Everybody on the forum brings something and most bring a little humor to fill in the rough spots. Thanks for adding to the mix.


Hi Kevin!

My wedge had to be wedge shaped in two axes since it sat at a 45 deg angle in the 90 deg turn the halyards make. So, rather than try to cut it to that shape, I simply held in in my workmate, and used a 30 grit disk in a sander to shape it, with trial fittings in between sanding sessions so I could see how the line was entering and exiting. The whole thing only took about 30 minutes to do. Then fine sand and varnish.

Yes, all the folks on the Catalina form are outstanding. Lots of knowledge and experience, and it is freely shared!

Cheers!

Chuck


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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 07/12/2011 :  09:41:28  Show Profile
do a search on ebay for novatech XLE line. I like the line very much. a hundred feet of 5/16" line is only $48. That's going to be my halyard line when I need to replace the Sta-SetX halyards. Very similar to Samson XLS. Very low stretch but more flexible than Sta-SetX.

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