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keeldad
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Initially Posted - 11/06/2012 : 06:04:40

A picture is worth a thousand words but I'm having problems accessing the members area to post the photos. I'm a paid member of the association but the logon keeps sending me to the new member page and it won't let me submit the info without making a payment. If anybody can help, please. Everybody really needs to see what happened to the Emery C during the hurricane.

John & Emery Keeler
S/V "Emery C"
'84 SR/SK #4260
Ocean City NJ

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 11/06/2012 : 07:10:51

What is the URL to the photo?

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keeldad
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Response Posted - 11/06/2012 : 07:20:31

I haven't posted it to anything yet. I'm not real computer literate but there's got to be a picture of it somewhere on some sort of social media because everybody and their brother have been taking pictures of her. Basically the storm floated her off her cradle, turned her 180 and gently set her down, level and even on top of four pilings. I've sent pictures to my friends and I've been accused of photoshopping them. I don't know how to photoshop. It's the most incredible sight. I didn't even know what happened until Saturday because I work for the local electric utility and have been on 16hr days doing storm restoration. I could e-mail the photos to someone if they could post them here.

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 11/06/2012 : 07:27:32

John,
I'll post them for you. I've sent you email through the forum, please make sure you respond to my email address and not the address from the forum.

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keeldad
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Response Posted - 11/06/2012 : 07:39:58

Thanks Dave. I'll get them to you. What you will see is the cradle where she lives during the winter with pics of where she ended up in relation to the cradle. Atlantic City casinos are in the background of the pictures. I've been told with luck like I've had with the Emery C, I should go to the casinos. Personally, I think we used up our annual allotment.

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 11/06/2012 : 09:15:14

Unsurprisingly, John's a bit busy what with the eye of Sandy going right over the top of his marina, so here are a few of his pictures:

Emery C's pre-Sandy cradle in the foreground, and post Sandy berth:

Surprisingly little damage:

Starboard side:

And I think this is my favorite shot, with the Atlantic City Casinos in the background:

You can view all the photos he sent me [url="https://plus.google.com/photos/103437977241149511176/albums/5807721459526261809/5807721489657099250"]here[/url].

Tough boats indeed.

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 11/06/2012 : 09:43:33

Among all the destruction there's something kind of heartwarming abot the little boat that could. And, a little bit funny, too.

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binky
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Response Posted - 11/06/2012 : 10:16:24

WOW!!

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Davy J
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Response Posted - 11/06/2012 : 10:37:37

Awesome.....looks like you could leave it there until spring.....

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Tim M
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Response Posted - 11/06/2012 : 13:41:50

Thanks both of you for posting those great pics. You obviously have the new 'balanced rudder'.

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Joe Diver
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Response Posted - 11/06/2012 : 15:13:38

Little known/used advantage of the swinger.....

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pfduffy
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Response Posted - 11/06/2012 : 15:23:24

Unbelievable! Since she's up there, you might as well change the keel cable!!

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 11/06/2012 : 16:15:00

Is the marina charging you slip fees?

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glivs
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Response Posted - 11/06/2012 : 16:43:50

Classic. One for the history books!!!....but now what?

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 11/06/2012 : 19:10:28

Bring in the crane, lift her up, and set her back in the water after a careful inspection and replacement of the keel lifting cable and turning ball.

While she's high and dry, you might want to touch up the bottom paint where the straps were when it was painted last.

Any chance someone was around when the water was going down and guided her over the pilings so she wouldn't float away?

Glad the boat came out unscathed! Hopefully home was OK too!

EDIT: After looking at the other pictures David posted does it seem odd that there are no scrapes in the bottom paint or on the topsides? Seems like if it floated into that position during the storm there would have been some bumping and scraping against the pilings.

It also seems like the hull would have indentations where the hull is pressing against the small contact patch provided by the top corners of the pilings.

And where is the mast and rigging?

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hinmo
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Response Posted - 11/07/2012 : 03:40:43

yup - power washer her, scrape her and paint her while you have the chance!!!

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redeye
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Response Posted - 11/07/2012 : 04:41:21

Dual purpose docks... Your little boat may have started a new industry!

And from now own you will have to live with the funny looks when you tie your boat down in the Cradle!

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Admin
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Response Posted - 11/07/2012 : 05:19:54

John, first 'Wow', they are incredible pics and say so much about the consequences of the storm in your area.

I found your membership record and have corrected the renewal date.

You should now be able to login and post your own pics that will stay in the associations site.

Paul

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redeye
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Response Posted - 11/07/2012 : 05:47:33

Gee... Anybody that can dock like that should get a free membership for a year!

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keeldad
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Response Posted - 11/07/2012 : 07:14:29

I'm as amazed as everybody else as to how this happened. If I didn't see it with my own eyes, and know the circumstances I would have sworn somebody was playing an elaborate prank on me.
I had pulled her the week before anybody had ever heard of Hurricane Sandy. It was simply the end of our sailing season this year. I had some home projects lined up and I knew I wouldn't have the time to sail much more. She was safely nestled on her cradle, the mast and rigging stored and I was getting ready to winterize her a week before Hurricane Sandy decided to form. Friday before the storm hit, I took off from work, pulled my other boat(Mako 22) and prepared my house for the storm. Because I work for the local electric utility, I know that after any storm, I'll be working 16hr days on electric restoration so I take preparations seriously knowing I won't be available until we get everybody's electric back on. My wife (Emery) and the dogs Molly and Maggie (aka Flangehead and Chickenmutt)evacuated to the mainland and rode out the storm at my mother's house. When we finally got back on the island several days later, we found that we were extremely fortunate. Garage and AC ductwork were flooded, hot tub tried to float away (who would have thunk that a full hot tub can float?)but the water ended up about an inch below the floor in the main house. We're a little higher than most of our neighbors and many of them have been devastated. We count our blessings (I also have to give credit to Emery who, before she bought a house in Ocean City, spent a lot of time researching what available properties were higher than others and bought accordingly).
Anyway, I never got a chance to check on the boats because I was leaving for work before sunrise and getting home after dark so I assumed no news was good news. Frankly, I was confident that both my boats had fared OK because I couldn't imagine the water getting high enough to float the Emery C off her cradle. It wasn't until Saturday afternoon when a friend who keeps his boat at the same place called and asked if I'd been down to look at my sailboat. I was still at work and he wouldn't tell me why I should check the boat but that I might "find it interesting". I got that sick feeling in the pit of my stomach and since I was working relatively close to the area, I was able to beg an hour away to see what had happened. When I pulled into the yard I at first thought she was impaled on the pilings but I was soon elated to find otherwise. I asked the boatyard owner why he hadn't called me about the situation and he told me that he knew I was busy doing storm restoration and since there didn't appear to be any damage, he didn't want to worry me. Had asked a friend of his with a crane to come over and lift her off and put her back on the cradle. When I told him that I would have liked a few photos of her before she was lifted off, he laughed and told me that there must be several hundred pictures on the internet by now because of all the people who have been coming to see her. The crane had been delayed because there is such a demand for heavy equipment around here for clean-up, and his friend was still trying to get some free time to get to the yard and lift her off. The yard crane is fixed in place and can't reach to where she is now. Her cradle is right next to the fixed crane and that's how she gets in and out every year. This yard is one of those funky old boatyards that is fast disappearing. I've known the owner for years and it's one of those kind of places where if you are known and liked and pay your bills on time, the owner will try and take care of you. It really isn't a sailboat place but I keep my Mako at a slip there so I think they kind of tolerate my "blowboat" tendencies. I also provide beer and sandwiches every time the yard crew helps me put her in and out and step or unstep the mast.
At this point, since we didn't know when the crane would be available, I decided that it would be prudent to notify my insurance company of the situation. I called BOAT US on Monday and they told me that it was a salvage operation and would be covered under my insurance. It's probably a better idea to have them arrange for a crane and do the lifting because if there is any damage, they'll be able to note it. They gave me a claim number and said they'll be in touch soon. At this point, the Emery C is still on her perch and we're waiting for this Nor easter to clear out. Hopefully she'll be back on her cradle before too much longer.
Thanks to everybody for their interest, concern and comments. I'll keep everbody informed as to how things progress.

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Davy J
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Response Posted - 11/07/2012 : 08:06:38

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I called BOAT US on Monday and they told me that it was a salvage operation and would be covered under my insurance.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I think you should rethink this part, or at least find out what the ramifications are. Salvage is different than just making a claim for damage or repair/retrieval/towing.

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Davy J
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Response Posted - 11/07/2012 : 08:26:13

This is what concerns me about the term "salvage".. This is copied from Boatus website. The part that is concerning is underlined by me.

"Total or Constructive Total Loss
We will pay you the agreed hull value as defined by the policy if the boat is lost absolutely, or if the reasonable cost of repair exceeds the agreed value. We reserve the right to declare the boat a constructive total loss and pay you the agreed value if, in our judgment, costs of salvage and/or repair exceeds such value. We are not obligated to accept or pay for the boat or any boating equipment which you abandon. If we pay you the insured value, we have the right to the insured property. If we exercise our right to acquire the insured property, you must provide all documents needed to transfer title to us. You agree to allow us to withhold an amount not to exceed 10% of the insured value until we have received these documents."

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 11/07/2012 : 09:40:36

I'm not a maritime lawyer, but it doesn't sound like you should be too concerned about the use of the word "salvage." The quoted language suggests that the insurance company is obligated to pay both the cost of salvaging the boat and to pay you the cost of any damage to it, up to a total loss. In this context, "salvage" seems to mean that they will pay the cost of removing the boat from somebody's front yard, if that's where it ends up. You can't just leave it there.

In addition, they will pay the cost of repairing damage to it, up to the policy limits, but the decision whether to repair it or pay you the full policy amount is theirs. If, however, they declare the boat a total loss, then the company might be willing to pay you the full amount and allow you to buy the wreckage from them for a nominal amount, such as $100.

I know a sailor who's boat was struck by lightning, which blew out a thru-hull fitting, and sank in 30' of water, and the insurance company declared it a total loss and paid him the full policy amount. He bought the salvage rights from them for $100., raised the boat himself, installed a new thru-hull fitting, cleaned the mud out of the interior, made some minor repairs/replacements, and had his boat back, along with the insurance payout. He was willing to do the hard work that the insurance company couldn't do economically. If your boat really isn't badly damaged, the insurance company might opt to salvage and repair it, rather than declare it a total loss. It appears that the option is theirs. They either have to salvage it and repair it, or salvage it and pay you the full policy amount.

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 11/07/2012 : 10:00:41

Amazing !!

Hope all works out well getting it off those poles !

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JimGo
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Response Posted - 11/11/2012 : 21:18:45

Wow! That's amazing, John! Glad she's OK!

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TakeFive
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Response Posted - 11/12/2012 : 15:42:52

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by delliottg

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It the black space forward of the keel stub a cause of concern? It looks like the keel might have made a "hard linding" at some point and punched through he hull. Or is that black space some other feature of the hull/keel joint?

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