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cudamank
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Initially Posted - 02/14/2018 :  17:54:58  Show Profile
I need to replace my old tiller that cracked badly at the holes that mount it to the "tiller arm"? Was wondering if there was a better way to protect the tiller from splitting. The spare tiller that came with the boat seems to have met the same fate.

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John
1982 Catalina 25 SR FK
"Jenny"

BKPC25
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Response Posted - 02/14/2018 :  18:07:25  Show Profile
I had the same problem...
Since the tiller is laminated...I cut out the rotted piece and epoxied a piece of oak between the layers, luckily the top and bottom were intact. Drilled new holes. Sanded the whole tiller, filled up other rotted holes. Epoxied the whole thing.
OR
You can buy a new one for $150-180.
See this blog of some pictures of the refinished tiller. Scroll down:
https://79catalina25.com/page/2/
1973 C22 #1803 "Baby Adalynne"
(1979 C25 #1389 "Adalynne")
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Lake Travis, Austin, TX
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Voyager
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Response Posted - 02/14/2018 :  19:10:22  Show Profile
The rudder is made from a fiberglass shell with a foam core. The core will saturate with water if the boat stays in the water. If you pull the boat and temps go into the teens or twenties then the foam will freeze and expand. This will burst the fiberglass shell. You often see the "seams" crack which pretty much messes up the rudder and its hydrodynamic profile.
To prevent this from happening, when I haul Passage in November, I remove the rudder and take it home. I store it in my garage and let the water dry out of its own accord. My garage typically does not freeze until mid January by which time the core is bone dry. A few of my pals at the marina have inboard rudders. Some have experienced this problem but there's not a lot they can do about it. They repair their rudders in the spring. Prevention is truly the best medicine.
Bruce Ross
Passage ~ SR-FK ~ C25 #5032

Port Captain — Milford, CT
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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 02/14/2018 :  19:16:52  Show Profile
A sunbrella cover for the tiller will help, as will an annual coat of polyurethane.
Steve Milby J/24 "Captiva Wind"
previously C&C 35, Cal 25, C25 TR/FK, C22
Past Commodore
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islander
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Response Posted - 02/14/2018 :  19:45:02  Show Profile
I second Steve, You can't leave it exposed or sit on it
Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound


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sethp001
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Response Posted - 02/14/2018 :  23:35:40  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by cudamank

I need to replace my old tiller that cracked badly at the holes that mount it to the "tiller arm"? Was wondering if there was a better way to protect the tiller from splitting. The spare tiller that came with the boat seems to have met the same fate.

Thank you

John


Last season, when I refinished my tiller, I discovered why it had bolts installed vertically in this section. The tiller had cracked laterally (in line with the laminated pieces). The PO had drilled two holes in this section, and installed two #8 through-bolts with fender washers top and bottom. With the bolts tightened, the cracks are forced closed.

This has worked well for the eight years I've owned the boat. When I refinished the tiller, I tightened the bolts to close the cracks before applying the new varnish.

If your cracks are also lateral, perhaps the vertical bolts will work for you too.


Seth
"Outlier" 1987 Catalina 25 SR/SK/Traditional Interior #5541
"Zoo" 1977 Morgan Out Island 30
"Nomad" 1980 Prindle 16
"Lost" 1988 Catalina Capri 14.2 (sold - yay!)
"Marine Tex 1" Unknown Origin POS 8' Fiberglass Dinghy
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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 02/15/2018 :  04:03:27  Show Profile  Visit OLarryR's Homepage
Agree with others - Using a Sunbrella cover is the way to go. I have original tiller and I keep my boat in the water year-round. The tiller has the original varnish finish on it as the Sunbrella cover works very well. You can pick up a Sunbrella cover from West Marine or Catalina Direct and that will work out fine. You can also make your own - SailRite, believe they have a kit for making a tiller cover or just order the material and thread.
Larry
'89 Robin's Nest#5820, Potomac River/Quantico, Va
http://catalina25.homestead.com/olarryr.html
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islander
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Response Posted - 02/15/2018 :  09:22:10  Show Profile
$119 from Rudder Craft https://ruddercraft.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=54 the
Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound


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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 02/15/2018 :  09:39:59  Show Profile
A friend lost his balance and sat on my tiller--that was its demise. Don't sit on your tiller.
Dave Bristle
Association "Port Captain" for Mystic/Stonington CT
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, USCG "sixpack" (expired),
Now on Eastern 27 $+!nkp*+ Sarge
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Peregrine
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Response Posted - 02/16/2018 :  17:34:18  Show Profile  Visit Peregrine's Homepage
When I bought Peregine the rudder was in bad shape. I replaced from either Defender or Catalina Direct sorry don't remember. I did buy a sunbrella coverand it stays covered when not in use. It is currently in the cabin during the winter but many winters it has stayed in my apartment. It is the only thing I use spar varnish on and it gets very good care.

John Gisondi
Peregrine #4762

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 02/17/2018 :  09:16:55  Show Profile
That's some fancy ropework John! Looks great.
Derek Crawford
Chief Measurer C25-250 2008
Previous owner of "This Side UP"
1981 C-25 TR/FK #2262 Used to have an '89 C22 #9483, "Downsized"
San Antonio, Texas
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Peregrine
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Response Posted - 02/17/2018 :  11:33:45  Show Profile  Visit Peregrine's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by Derek Crawford

That's some fancy ropework John! Looks great.

Thanks Derek,
The spiral wrap is pretty easy the "Turks Heads" took some time to figure out.
I've also used a Soloman Bar for lanyards, bracelets and snap shackle pulls.
I follow a Youtube site called "Tying it All Together" very clear videos on all kinds of decorative knots.
https://www.youtube.com/user/TyingItAllTogether

John Gisondi
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Frank Law
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Response Posted - 02/18/2018 :  13:07:17  Show Profile
When I bought "ABOUT TIME" The rudder and tiller were bolted together . I kept it that way as long as I had the boat , I would pull the rudder pin from the gudgeon and pull both en mass and put the assembly in the cabin every time I finished sailing for the day.
It wasn't that hard to do even for a 70 + yr old sailer. Ruder never stayed in the water ,tiller was protected .
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cudamank
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Response Posted - 02/23/2018 :  17:05:05  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by Derek Crawford

That's some fancy ropework John! Looks great.


I like the look of that rope wrapped tiller.
1982 Catalina 25 SR FK
"Jenny"
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Sailynn
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Response Posted - 02/23/2018 :  20:29:02  Show Profile
in outdoor marine environment, holes drilled in tillers should be over-drilled, wood epoxy the holes and let set. drill new smaller holes and insert bolt(s). this prevents weakening of laminate wood or pure wood and adds strength to area. "a ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"
Lynn Buchanan
1988 C25 SR/WK #5777
Sailynn
Nevada City, CA
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