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islander
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Response Posted - 09/28/2018 :  06:41:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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The consensus I've seen is the EFI system automatically leans out the mixture to compensate for the thinner air,

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Does the computer just compensate for altitude without anybody having to think about it?
Iíve even driven up at elevation in the hills outside of Boulder and the car ran like a champ.


The fuel engine management sensors automatically calibrate all altitude conditions in late model fuel injected vehicles unlike older carburetor engines.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 09/30/2018 :  19:30:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Engines will not produce as much power at altitude as at sea level. Less dense air means less oxygen. A leaner mixture, automatic on newer fuel injected cars means cleaner, smoother running, but burning less fuel means less energy is produced on each power stroke. Supercharging, including turbocharging, compensates at less than full throttle if you use a heavier foot. Still, 6 - 7 available HP should push to hull speed. I have gotten around 6 - 6.5 on long motoring trips on the GICW at 4.5 -5 kts with variable currents and a Merc Bigfoot 9.9


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Erik Cornelison
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Response Posted - 10/01/2018 :  11:06:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey I'm going about 5.5 knots at full throttle with my Big Foot 9.9 long shaft 4 blade prop at 7,000 msl elevation.

Yesterday it was windy for our lake and we were cruising at 6.8-7 knots with just the jib alone. I thought the motor would do a little better.


I'm originally hoped the boat would do max hull speed with the 9.9 motor at the lake, but I think the elevation and summer temps just take away too much power.

Also, although I doubt it, I may not be at full throttle when I give it full throttle, but I'm pretty sure its at full throttle. The motor runs excellent and we love it.



As an example of the power lost for anyone who boats in multiple altitudes, my Zodiac with 50HP Johnson runs:
38MPH at Arizona sea level with a 19 pitch prop @ 5500 RPM
34MPH at 3652 elevation 17 pitch prop 5500 RPM
29MPH 15 pitch prop at 7,000 elevation 5,500 RPM.

Thanks for the replies.
I don't run a full speed, its just used for calculation.

Oh and thanks for the GPH fuel burn replies, just about what I was expecting. Our Lake Powell Utah trip will be probably 150 miles without any chance of getting fuel, so I want enough gas but not too much gas. Can't count on sailing my way back (unless I take off more days off) as the wind isn't steady or predictable in the narrow canyons of Lake Powell Utah, Escalante Canyon area.

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Guys, need to remember he said he was at 7,800 MSL. In a normally aspirated airplane at 7-8,000' the best you will get is approx. 75% of the power you would at sea level. To get 75% you have to use full throttle.

Eric - How fast do you go at full throttle at your altitude?


Sorry Herd... I didn't read your whole post before I posted. Didn't mean to be repetitive guys.


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islander
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Response Posted - 10/01/2018 :  16:58:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here's an easy calculator for HP loss at elevation. A 9.9 at 7000ft would lose 2.08hp resulting in 7.82hp.
http://www.wallaceracing.com/braking-hp.php

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
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Mark Maxwell
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Response Posted - 10/01/2018 :  20:45:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think you have enough HP, Iím wondering if a 3 blade prop will help your top speed. 4 blades are usually the power thrust you need to get that heavy boat going quickly but on a lake with little to no current maybe a 3 blade will still provide enough thrust to get moving (may not jump out of the hole as quick) and then up to a higher top end?...


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islander
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Response Posted - 10/02/2018 :  06:20:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Lake Powell at 3600ft would result in a 1.07hp loss resulting in 8.83hp.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
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Erik Cornelison
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Response Posted - 10/03/2018 :  09:20:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Remember this calculator doesn't calculate the altitude density, just the basic's. In reality the engine is probably making even less power. But a cool little calculator.

Erik



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Here's an easy calculator for HP loss at elevation. A 9.9 at 7000ft would lose 2.08hp resulting in 7.82hp.
http://www.wallaceracing.com/braking-hp.php


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