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GaryB
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Initially Posted - 09/16/2013 : 20:38:19

Check out this C-25 with keel stepped mast and custom keel with trim tab -->> [url="http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/38518"]C-25[/url]

And this Carrera 290 -->> [url="http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/20897"]Carrera 290[/url]

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 09/17/2013 : 05:14:12

...and check out the Hobie 33, with 3800 lbs displacement. Those photos aren't taken with a camera lens that makes the boat look longer and sleeker. That's how they really look, with their 8' beam and 33' LOA. It's phrf rating is 96, and the asking price for this one is or was $9999., including trailer.

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/boatMergedDetails.jsp?boat_id=2478350

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shnool
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Response Posted - 09/17/2013 : 05:37:37

Hobbie 33 seems like an impressive boat (I've considered it before)... but that masthead rig and a large genoa I bet is a chore to tack! 5 crew indeed.

My bad looks like a 15/16th fractional.

Edited by - shnool on 09/17/2013 05:42:46

Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 09/17/2013 : 05:59:43

I race against one on the Patapsco River, and it's very fast, but my concern is whether it can handle the chop going to windward in the main body of the Bay, with it's light displacement. I think I'll ask the owner after the race next Wednesday.

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shnool
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Response Posted - 09/17/2013 : 07:03:00

What strikes me with the Hobie 33... is the relative low height mast (34') versus the length... The lifting keel is a huge bonus though. Because of the height though, the mast is farther back and the genoa is LONG... That with a symmetrical spin (which is faster of course DW for W/L courses) would make for a very BUSY crew. My goal is a light duty crew load (or nothing for them to do would be ideal)... which is why I steer myself towards furlers and asyms.

I would like a super go-fast boat that's fun around the cans, but is easily manageable to single hand. Ideally it'd be bigger than 25 feet, and trailerable, as well as simple to raise the mast... that leaves for a very SHORT list of boats!

The Capri 25 with a deck stepped mast, fixed 4'2" keel, and masthead rig are easy for me to sail myself (and launch and raise the mast)... retrieve is spotty, and the symmetrical kite is almost TOO big to handle for me alone.

I can't say I dislike either boat mentioned though, that Carrera 290 and the Hobie 33 are "interesting" to say the least.

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shnool
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Response Posted - 09/17/2013 : 07:24:05

A fellow club member has a B-25 hard to find (this is the basis for the Left Coast Dart too)... http://www.shnool.com/images/capri25/09142013/20130914_163532_resized.jpg
Who can forget the Left Coast Dart? http://www.eskimo.com/~leftcst/iWeb/Left_Coast/The_Dart.html These are current and seem promising
There are always Melges 24 http://www.melges24.com/
Melges 32 http://www.melges32.com/
The Flying tiger (10) http://www.flyingtigerboats.com/gpage.html
Ultimate 20 and 24 http://www.antrimdesign.com/boats/ultimate-24
Not so much sport boat, the J-boats (pick one)... my preference (see criteria for furler, asym, and trailer) The J/80 http://jboats.com/j80
But the newest J/88 looks more betterer, http://jboats.com/j88 Not that I'd ever be able to afford that either
Everyone else is salivating over the J/70 (which just seems like a better J/22 to me), http://jboats.com/j70-one-design-sailboat
Viper 640s http://www.viper640.org/

Some of the also-ran boats that are fast(ish):
S2 7.9 http://s279.org/
Kirby 25 http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/36287
Capri 30 http://www.tqci.net/~jkriz/Capri30.html
Evelyn 25 http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/33215
Lindeberg 26 This looks like a fine example http://sailinganarchy.com/classifieds/show-ad/?id=531/
Mirage 236, 26, 28 http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=3502
Laser 28 http://sailinganarchy.com/classifieds/show-ad/?id=434/
Olson 29 http://sailinganarchy.com/classifieds/show-ad/?id=566/

Sorry my focus is generally on the smaller sport boats. So up the ladder into the FARRs and stuff aren't even on my radar (price or trailerability wise)....

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 09/17/2013 : 07:25:07

Wow--that C-25 is massively class-illegal--do you suppose they're getting the standard TR PHRF rating in their races? If so,.........

(Chuck Shaw could probably beat him anyway.

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Response Posted - 09/17/2013 : 08:05:55

(Chuck Shaw could probably beat him anyway.

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Thanks for the great vote of confidence!!!! :-)

Chuck

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Merit 25
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Response Posted - 02/19/2014 : 14:56:35

Farr 400

MC38 - I used to race on the one out of Annapolis before the owner sold it

Farr280

GP26

Carkeek 40

And a few others that fit the HPR rule.

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 02/20/2014 : 12:53:14

If that C25 was rated on Canyon Lake it would be around 175-180! (We used to have a Carrera 290 racing - when you popped the shute the crew got whiplash!)

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Response Posted - 02/20/2014 : 14:33:44

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Derek Crawford
 If that C25 was rated on Canyon Lake it would be around 175-180!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Why would someone put that effort and expense into a C-25 hull instead of a boat designed to go fast? If it's clean up on the rating, well the C-25 rating no longer applies... I really don't get it.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 02/20/2014 : 14:58:54

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Derek Crawford
 If that C25 was rated on Canyon Lake it would be around 175-180!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Why would someone put that effort and expense into a C-25 hull instead of a boat designed to go fast? If it's clean up on the rating, well the C-25 rating no longer applies... I really don't get it.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I don't get it either. The guy claimed to have invested $35,000 into the C25. A new 32' FT 10, with a phrf rating in the 40's, sold for $39,000. about 5-6 years ago.

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 02/20/2014 : 21:44:57

I don't get it either - but remember you can't fix stupid!

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sdpinaz
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Response Posted - 03/12/2014 : 17:15:08

Who said anything about boats being pratical??
I could easily spend 35,000 on my C25 over the years (if I had that many boating-bucks), even though it would probably make more sense to sell it and buy a different boat....
here's one, for example that has had a buncha money spent 'upgrading' it.

Edited by - sdpinaz on 03/12/2014 17:15:50

britinusa
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Response Posted - 03/12/2014 : 19:43:44

'Keel Stepped Mast' Huh! No mast in the cabin as far as I can see from the pics.

Paul

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Response Posted - 04/14/2014 : 09:50:29

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by britinusa
 'Keel Stepped Mast' Huh! No mast in the cabin as far as I can see from the pics.

Paul
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If you look at the pic of the cabin looking forward, you can see the area where the mast support should be. Apparently the mast is not stepped in the interior photo.

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 04/14/2014 : 20:39:24

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by iwillnotsubmit
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by britinusa
 'Keel Stepped Mast' Huh! No mast in the cabin as far as I can see from the pics.

Paul
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If you look at the pic of the cabin looking forward, you can see the area where the mast support should be. Apparently the mast is not stepped in the interior photo.
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I was being sarcastic when I said that since that's they way it's listed in the ad and is obviously not a keel stepped mast.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 04/14/2014 : 22:43:11

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by GaryB
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by iwillnotsubmit
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by britinusa
 'Keel Stepped Mast' Huh! No mast in the cabin as far as I can see from the pics.

Paul
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

If you look at the pic of the cabin looking forward, you can see the area where the mast support should be. Apparently the mast is not stepped in the interior photo.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I was being sarcastic when I said that since that's they way it's listed in the ad and is obviously not a keel stepped mast.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I'm not sure how obvious it is... The interior photo makes it look like the forward bulkhead has been cut away toward the overhead, and the compression post may be gone. It could have been shot at the same time as the exterior photo with the mast down. It might be a different mast, sized to go through the cabintop to a keel step--possibly to help in changing the standing rigging for tighter sheeting or whatever. Given what else he did, I wouldn't put it past him to buy a carbon fiber, free-standing mast, although that isn't what's in the sailing shots. In any case, I'm not sure why that's a headline feature...

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