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SailTowery
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Initially Posted - 01/11/2019 :  09:33:51  Show Profile  Visit SailTowery's Homepage
Has anyone here replaced the rudder bearings on in their CP25? Does it require major surgery?
Ben
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Response Posted - 01/11/2019 :  09:49:13  Show Profile
I've removed my rudder for inspection, but never replaced any bearings. In fact I'm hard pressed to remember seeing anything resembling a bearing. On my boat there is simply a fiberglass sleeve that the rudder shaft rides in with the bearing surface being the rudder cap fitting. There was a washer between the cap and the shaft. The sleeve is molded into the boat hull and cockpit deck. If the reason for this question is "wobbling" of your rudder shaft, then I have seen articles or threads on this site addressing that issue. There are two fixes as I recall for dealing with this. If you can't find the post, I can probably dig it out of my archives as I saved them for future reference.

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Joe W Hiller Jr
1985 Capri 25
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SailTowery
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Response Posted - 01/11/2019 :  11:03:34  Show Profile  Visit SailTowery's Homepage
Hey Joe! I just did a quick search of "rudder bearings" and nothing came up. If you have a link, that would be rad!
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SailTowery
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Response Posted - 01/11/2019 :  11:08:36  Show Profile  Visit SailTowery's Homepage
Catalina Direct has:

https://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/product/2791_1037/rudder-bearing-epoxy-repair-kit.cfm

and:

https://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/product/1145_1037/rudder-washer-set-c-27-cp-25-cp-26.cfm

So, it looks like the "bearings" are just washer and the shaft can be spruced up?
Ben
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Response Posted - 01/11/2019 :  11:16:29  Show Profile
Yes, that sounds like what I remember.
The epoxy kit just fills in the worn out fiberglass sleeve so you tighten up the shaft in the sleeve.
The other method I remember reading about was inserting mylar film into the space between the sleeve and shaft.
My rudder is wobbly, but not to the point that if bothers me enough to try and repair it yet, but if I keep the boat long enough I expect it will be necessary.
I found an article from the "Mainsheet" that I saved concerning the rudder post tubes. If I can figure a way to post it on this forum I will, otherwise you'll need to send me your email.
Joe W Hiller Jr
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Response Posted - 01/11/2019 :  11:20:07  Show Profile
I put the document in my dropbox with the following link:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bgtem3rtf6jnogh/Worn%20Rudder%20post.doc?dl=0
Joe W Hiller Jr
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SailTowery
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Response Posted - 01/11/2019 :  12:12:38  Show Profile  Visit SailTowery's Homepage
Thx man!
Ben
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jmadd
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Response Posted - 01/11/2019 :  15:00:34  Show Profile
This is what you want. Page 56. That's what I did and it worked well, even though I was pretty nervous about epoxying my rudder into the boat. I still have about 4/5's of a can of graphite powder I could probably be persuaded to part with too.

https://www.westsystem.com/wp-content/uploads/Fiberglass-Manual-2015.pdf
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Response Posted - 01/11/2019 :  15:03:56  Show Profile
By the way, that's the bible for about anything you want to do with epoxy/fiberglass on your boat.
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GaryB
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Response Posted - 01/11/2019 :  17:49:35  Show Profile
While you're replacing the rudder bearings yoU might want to replace the muffler bearings as well!

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GaryB
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Edited by - GaryB on 01/11/2019 17:49:50
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JohnP
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Response Posted - 01/15/2019 :  10:56:14  Show Profile
I guess you are talking about the 2 steel pins on the rudder that are called "pintles" that sit into the 2 steel fixtures on the transom of the boat, called "gudgeons". If you search for those two terms of nautical jargon you will find lots of discussion on the Forum.

I suppose large ships have all kinds of rudder bearings, but I doubt your CP25 does. If it does, let's see the photos!
JohnP
1978 C25 SR/FK "Gypsy"
Mill Creek off the Magothy River, Chesapeake Bay
Port Captain, northern Chesapeake Bay
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SailTowery
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Response Posted - 01/15/2019 :  15:27:07  Show Profile  Visit SailTowery's Homepage
Capri 25's have inboard rudders, so no pintle or gudgeons. There are plastic washers on the rudder shaft and no real bearings to speak off. The fix that we've talked about here is basically re-lining the rudder shaft with graphite and epoxy. I will definitely take some pics and share!
Ben
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JohnP
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Response Posted - 01/16/2019 :  11:56:29  Show Profile
OK, thanks for the clarification!
JohnP
1978 C25 SR/FK "Gypsy"
Mill Creek off the Magothy River, Chesapeake Bay
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