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AlMo
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Initially Posted - 07/23/2018 :  17:06:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi All,
Getting my 1978 C25 Standard Rig optimized for single handing, my attention turns at once to the foredeck. Hanking, raising and lowering the foresail doesn't seem safe or easy as wind conditions change. So I am looking for a low-cost approach, https://www.sailrite.com/CDI-Furler-Flexible-FF4 was suggested, wonder if you folks that are happy with this furler have any suggestions for selecting a good match for a headsail to run in it? And what kind of sailing you do? It is advertised as a great fit when you step your mast a lot, perhaps a good idea for this larger "trailer sailer."
Thanks for any advice,
Alex

1978 C25 "X Lives"

Edited by - AlMo on 07/23/2018 17:24:19

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Response Posted - 07/23/2018 :  17:38:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My boat came with a CDI F4 and a 135 genoa , it has worked well for me so far but there is a lot more sailors with a lot more experience on this forum then me that may a more informed opinion .One thing is you have to be careful with the flexible extrusion when you trailer your boat , if it's not kept straight it will kink permanently, I was not aware of this when I bought Tempus last year and it had a bit of a "S" in it but I was able to get the sail on and it has since straightened out.
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islander
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Response Posted - 07/23/2018 :  17:56:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't have one but from previous discussions It is popular but most suggest the ball bearing model.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
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Carl in LA
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Response Posted - 07/24/2018 :  06:47:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Greetings:

CDI furlers work fine with a couple of caveats..

The hard plastic luff when straight looks great - but if improperly stowed (like when the mast is laid down) in such a way as to induce a kink in it (as in improperly tying it off to something for transport) - the kink will stay there for weeks or months until it relaxes back straight again.

And, don't undersize the unit... the reason being that if you have too small of a drum you have to downsize the furling line such that the total number of feet of furling line will reel into the drum depending on the size of your jib... in my case to pull the 110% jib in I have to use 3/16 line... I would rather have had the next size up drum and be able to use 1/4-inch line for the furler... easier to handle and I would worry less about the line snapping under heavy pressure when reefed.

The ball bearing version is the only way to go too...

As far as performance - very happy with the total experience... easy to let out and easy to reef. Minimal to none for maintenance issues and water hose spraydown for cleaning.

You should expect to be cautious when measuring for your new jib to ensure you get the top where you need it and the bottom where you want it.

I would like to sail on a boat that has their mainsail reefing to see how that works out...

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Good Times
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Response Posted - 07/24/2018 :  08:18:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Carl, have you considered pulling the core out of the 1/4 line except for the last few feet were you handle/pull it initially? It is fairly easy to do and should give you enough space in the drum.


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AlMo
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Response Posted - 07/24/2018 :  17:37:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you Carl, Andy and Scott. Price-wise, it appears the Selden GX 15, which includes all the deck hardware and lines (extra $100 on the CDI FF4) and has ball bearing mounts, would be pretty equivalent. Not sure what the fine print is on either one, my main question is whether to equip it with a 150 or 135 headsail? Any recommendations for sail brand would be appreciated too, I am frankly a total newbie with keel boats.

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JB
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Response Posted - 07/25/2018 :  10:18:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Selden GX 15 looks looks interesting. Do you know if it is only for Spinnakers? Can it be reefed?
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islander
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Response Posted - 07/25/2018 :  10:51:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Selden GX 15 is not a roller reefer. It's not made for reefing a head sail. It's made to fully roll up or to fully deploy the sail only.Its used mainly for spins ect.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
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AlMo
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Response Posted - 07/25/2018 :  15:12:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looks as though the Selden GX 15 is as Scott points out, for spins, and is better deployed with a bowsprit, which I feel would be a fairly expensive mod for an older C25. Am I right?

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zeil
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Response Posted - 07/25/2018 :  16:38:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote



To prevent this during winter storage...


Use 3 pieces of 10' length of this and... (available at all hardware stores)


Overwinter on deck in tube...


Henk & Johanna "Someday Lady"
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Bladeswell
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Response Posted - 07/25/2018 :  18:30:14  Show Profile  Visit Bladeswell's Homepage  Send Bladeswell an AOL message  Reply with Quote
Hello,

I don't have a CDI furler but discovered while headsail shopping that National sails sells the CDI furler with a new 150% Genoa for right at $1500. Sense I already had a working furler, I didn't need that combo and also wanted a 135% for my sailing needs. I did buy my new sail from National,(Rolly Tasker) and have been very pleased with the price and quality. Also had my sail in about 3 weeks. As far as size goes, I would suggest you check with other sailors in your area to see what size seems to be most favored. Best of luck.

Bladeswell

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Captmorgan
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Response Posted - 08/12/2018 :  06:43:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Vela sailing had a CDI Ff4 for 750.00 but they roll up the plastic channel for the luff. You can in roll and,flatten with heat gun. Before raising sail. If you don't want this you can order,local from someone that receives them on flatbed deliver for 1500.

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hewebb
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Response Posted - 08/13/2018 :  05:55:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have sailed a boat with a CDI furler. The down side I noticed was the internal halyard. I prefer the Harkin with normal halyard. Just my two cents worth.

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AlMo
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Response Posted - 08/13/2018 :  09:32:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I guess I had the mistaken notion that halyards go away with furlers; can anyone explain why you would raise or lower a headsail rather than furl it?

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Russ.Johnson
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Response Posted - 08/13/2018 :  13:30:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Alex,

There are 2 topics.
The comment from hewebb means the CDI internal halyards.
The CDI halyard allows the user to remove the headsail from the furler without dropping the mast.
CDI has internal halyard, while the Harkin has an external halyard.
Removing the headsail is usually done at the dock.

Your existing headsail halyard is not used by the CDI furler.
Note: the CDI furler is standard on the C250.
On my C250 the headsail halyard is delivered but not used.

Russ Johnson
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