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Erik Cornelison
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Initially Posted - 10/07/2018 :  09:12:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My rope clutch for the halyards has a broken handle and both sides slip. This is the clutch on the cabin next to the winch for raising the main & jib. The winch hande hits the clutch, probably why the handle was broken when I bought it this year. Iíll move the clutch forward so the winch handle doesnít hit it.

Iím going to order a new double clutch and need to know the rope size, but I donít know the rope size.

My rope halyards are the same size rope as the main sheet lines, so what size are they?


Erik Cornelison
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1986 Standard Rig SW. #5234

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Response Posted - 10/07/2018 :  10:03:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Erik Cornelison

My rope halyards are the same size rope as the main sheet lines, so what size are they?
Ummmmmmm... (5/16ths is common for C-25 halyards, but...)

Dave Bristle
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PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, ex-OUPV
Now on Eastern 27 Sarge (but still sailing when I can).

Passage, Mystic, and Sarge--click to enlarge.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 10/07/2018 10:05:11
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Response Posted - 10/07/2018 :  10:06:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Erik Cornelison


My rope halyards are the same size rope as the main sheet lines, so what size are they?



The manual has them at 5/16".


Tim Keating
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redeye
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Response Posted - 10/07/2018 :  11:01:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Cut off the end of one and take it to the store. i.e... cut off the bitter end where it ties to the shackle/ knot at the sail. This moves the place on the halyard where the halyard lays over the sheeves and where it is grabbed by the clutches and wears. The halyard will last longer.


Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
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Erik Cornelison
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Originally posted by redeye

Cut off the end of one and take it to the store. i.e... cut off the bitter end where it ties to the shackle/ knot at the sail. This moves the place on the halyard where the halyard lays over the sheeves and where it is grabbed by the clutches and wears. The halyard will last longer.





It doesnít matter how far the sail goes up, full, reefed, in between, etc.. the clutch slips and releases on its own sometimes. Itís worn out. Iím pretty sure itís 30+ years old.

Erik Cornelison
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1986 Standard Rig SW. #5234

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Response Posted - 10/07/2018 :  12:11:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
5/16 ..thanks guys.

Are they all the same or is there one recommend?




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1986 Standard Rig SW. #5234

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Response Posted - 10/07/2018 :  13:23:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Erik Cornelison

Are they all the same or is there one recommend?
If you have wire-to-rope halyards (original in '86 I assume), they're almost certainly 5/16". If you have all-rope, I'd guess a P.O. replaced them, so they could be different, such as 1/4", which could greatly increase the likelihood of slipping in a clutch sized for 5/16-3/8" (8-10mm) rope. One way or the other, you want to match the line to the clutch.

Dave Bristle
Association "Port Captain" for Mystic, CT
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, ex-OUPV
Now on Eastern 27 Sarge (but still sailing when I can).

Passage, Mystic, and Sarge--click to enlarge.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 10/07/2018 13:24:55
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redeye
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Response Posted - 10/07/2018 :  13:30:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Im advising to find out the size of the line.. and as long as you are doing it if you cut the end near the sail it will make the halyard last longer.

My boat was 5/8?? but I changed sheaves and halyards to 3/8 ( same line size as my sheets, easy to remember ) Many owners may have changed sizes for many reasons when they quit using line/wire halyards.

And some have gone to 1/4.

And some 5/16. and some 7mm.

You might want to measure.




Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
"Lee Key" '84 Catalina 25 SR/FK

Edited by - redeye on 10/07/2018 13:35:07
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Response Posted - 10/07/2018 :  18:00:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The original (and CD's replacement) mast-head sheaves are for 5/16"--anything larger (especially 5/8") can be too large for the sheaves, adding friction, making sail dousing more difficult, and causing damage to the sheaves unless they're aluminum. Smaller (1/4") is just a little harder on the hands, and I don't know if there are any clutches for that. (Cam cleats would work, but halyard tension can make them very difficult to release. That's what clutches are about.)

Dave Bristle
Association "Port Captain" for Mystic, CT
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, ex-OUPV
Now on Eastern 27 Sarge (but still sailing when I can).

Passage, Mystic, and Sarge--click to enlarge.
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