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Erik Cornelison
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Initially Posted - 10/07/2018 :  09:12:20  Show Profile
My rope clutch for the halyards has a broken handle and both sides slip. This is the clutch on the cabin next to the winch for raising the main & jib. The winch hande hits the clutch, probably why the handle was broken when I bought it this year. I’ll move the clutch forward so the winch handle doesn’t hit it.

I’m going to order a new double clutch and need to know the rope size, but I don’t know the rope size.

My rope halyards are the same size rope as the main sheet lines, so what size are they?

Erik Cornelison
6th Generation Professional Sailor, First Gen Submarine Sailor.
1986 Standard Rig SW. #5234

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Response Posted - 10/07/2018 :  10:03:20  Show Profile
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Originally posted by Erik Cornelison

My rope halyards are the same size rope as the main sheet lines, so what size are they?
Ummmmmmm... (5/16ths is common for C-25 halyards, but...)
Dave Bristle
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PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, USCG "sixpack" (expired),
Now on Eastern 27 $+!nkp*+ Sarge
Edited by - Stinkpotter on 10/07/2018 10:05:11
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keats
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Response Posted - 10/07/2018 :  10:06:49  Show Profile
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Originally posted by Erik Cornelison


My rope halyards are the same size rope as the main sheet lines, so what size are they?


The manual has them at 5/16".
Tim Keating
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redeye
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Response Posted - 10/07/2018 :  11:01:20  Show Profile
Cut off the end of one and take it to the store. i.e... cut off the bitter end where it ties to the shackle/ knot at the sail. This moves the place on the halyard where the halyard lays over the sheeves and where it is grabbed by the clutches and wears. The halyard will last longer.
Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
"Lee Key" '84 Catalina 25
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Erik Cornelison
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Response Posted - 10/07/2018 :  12:10:09  Show Profile
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Cut off the end of one and take it to the store. i.e... cut off the bitter end where it ties to the shackle/ knot at the sail. This moves the place on the halyard where the halyard lays over the sheeves and where it is grabbed by the clutches and wears. The halyard will last longer.




It doesn’t matter how far the sail goes up, full, reefed, in between, etc.. the clutch slips and releases on its own sometimes. It’s worn out. I’m pretty sure it’s 30+ years old.
Erik Cornelison
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1986 Standard Rig SW. #5234
Edited by - Erik Cornelison on 10/07/2018 12:16:51
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Response Posted - 10/07/2018 :  12:11:12  Show Profile
5/16 ..thanks guys.

Are they all the same or is there one recommend?
Erik Cornelison
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1986 Standard Rig SW. #5234
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Response Posted - 10/07/2018 :  13:23:45  Show Profile
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Are they all the same or is there one recommend?
If you have wire-to-rope halyards (original in '86 I assume), they're almost certainly 5/16". If you have all-rope, I'd guess a P.O. replaced them, so they could be different, such as 1/4", which could greatly increase the likelihood of slipping in a clutch sized for 5/16-3/8" (8-10mm) rope. One way or the other, you want to match the line to the clutch.
Dave Bristle
Association "Port Captain" for Mystic/Stonington CT
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, USCG "sixpack" (expired),
Now on Eastern 27 $+!nkp*+ Sarge
Edited by - Stinkpotter on 10/07/2018 13:24:55
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redeye
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Response Posted - 10/07/2018 :  13:30:21  Show Profile
Im advising to find out the size of the line.. and as long as you are doing it if you cut the end near the sail it will make the halyard last longer.

My boat was 5/8?? but I changed sheaves and halyards to 3/8 ( same line size as my sheets, easy to remember ) Many owners may have changed sizes for many reasons when they quit using line/wire halyards.

And some have gone to 1/4.

And some 5/16. and some 7mm.

You might want to measure.
Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
"Lee Key" '84 Catalina 25
Standard Rig / Fin Keel
Edited by - redeye on 10/07/2018 13:35:07
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Response Posted - 10/07/2018 :  18:00:11  Show Profile
The original (and CD's replacement) mast-head sheaves are for 5/16"--anything larger (especially 5/8") can be too large for the sheaves, adding friction, making sail dousing more difficult, and causing damage to the sheaves unless they're aluminum. Smaller (1/4") is just a little harder on the hands, and I don't know if there are any clutches for that. (Cam cleats would work, but halyard tension can make them very difficult to release. That's what clutches are about.)
Dave Bristle
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PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, USCG "sixpack" (expired),
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