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takokichi
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Initially Posted - 09/01/2005 : 12:05:26

Tonight after work I complete the transaction tendering tako kichi to her new owner. Thank you all for your input and assistance over the last six years. If not for this board, I would never have purchased the boat in the first place, and I would have been in the dark about a lot what I needed to know.

The new onwer lurks here, but I'll let him introduce himself rather than out him. I took him sailing last Friday and based on his reaction tako kichi is going to a good home.

Attached is my favorite picture of the boat, taken at our favorite place.

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 09/01/2005 : 12:32:31

Does this make you "Boatless" for the rest of the season?

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takokichi
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Response Posted - 09/01/2005 : 12:51:34

Well, its beginning to look like I may have the new boat in the water for the rest of the season. The delivery is post-sea trial so why not sail it for a while? If anyone cares, this is the link yachtworld listing: http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?currency=USD& units=Feet& checked_boats=1293161& slim=quick&

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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 09/01/2005 : 13:26:43

Hi Justin,

Don't be a stranger just 'cause you've got a bigger boat ... you're certainly welcome to stick around.

Good luck with your new boat ... she looks like a beauty!

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 09/01/2005 : 16:20:19

Being said facetiously ---->"George Jefferson Forum" section for all of you guys that have moved on up. Your wealth of knowledge should not be lost

Congratulations, she looks fast

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 09/02/2005 : 15:34:16

Wow--that looks like something of a SLED! Deep fin, fractional rig, major tackle on the backstay, racing cockpit, wide decks, huge traveler, tiller, winches everywhere, spartan interior, open transom (so she doesn't fill up like NZL did)... What's her PHRF?

Interesting hull construction--foam-cored wood... Sounds like the hull was natural wood ("bright"), recently Awlgripped white--I guess that could be a good thing...

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takokichi
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Response Posted - 09/02/2005 : 16:23:49

She rates 117, but I may not be able to keep it up that high. She hasn't had a certificate in a couple of years and there has been some rating "drift. More interesting to me than just the perf number is her light air performance history. She's 35' LOA and only 9'6" Bmax - more like 6' beam on the water. So, she doesn't push a lot of water aside and moves well in the light stuff we fight with all summer here. She pays for it when the wind is moderate, though, since she has limited form stability and narrow ends, so she carries only a small chute. If you were to try to power her up too much in moderate winds you just drive more of the bow into the water. She comes back around over 18 knots, though, and can exceed her theoretical hullspeed since she's so narrow.

The construction is unusual, but not unknown. Many custom boats are build of similar cold-molded construction. (Ocean Planet, for one). The advantages are no tooling costs since you don't need a mold and an "up" hull weight of only 1/3 comparable glass/core construction. The down side is extreme material and labor costs - which is why you don't find people people production boats this way.

I may have mentioned it before, but Bruce Schwab of Ocean Planet turned me on to the boat when I was working with him last spring. I outlined what I was looking for in a boat: Light air performance, deep fractional rig so that Jessica can still handle the head sail, good shorthanded ability, cruiseable interior, etc. I told him no one seems to have ever designed and built a boat like the one I'm looking for. He answered: actually, one guy did, and its 10 minutes up the road!

jwa

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Response Posted - 09/02/2005 : 17:33:12

The world is full of "exotics" and only a very few understand and appreciate them. I am so glad for you. The boat found a good home and you are living a dream. Never let the grin leave your face!
Frank

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takokichi
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Response Posted - 09/07/2005 : 19:09:37

Well, today wasn't the day, after all. The prospective new boat failed her survey badly enough the surveyor isn't willing to write a report and sign it...

Anyone know where there's a decent J29 in need of a home?

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 09/07/2005 : 19:52:27

I'm really sorry Justin. That rots big time.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 09/08/2005 : 08:50:04

Eschell's (sp) 30's are cheap and might be fun.

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takokichi
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Response Posted - 09/08/2005 : 09:27:19

Good call, Frank! I'm actually doing RC for the Etchells regionals up here in a few weeks. Next year I'm looking to join a Tuesday night Etchells crew regularly. They're a blast!

Still, though, I'm looking for a bit more boat for the regional PHRF series. Something will come through.

jwa

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 09/08/2005 : 22:14:30

[url="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Euphemia-a1972-custom-30-ft-cruising-racing-sloop_W0QQitemZ4574152346QQcategoryZ63731QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]ebay boat[/url]

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Response Posted - 09/09/2005 : 08:25:38

Hey Justin
Could you give us some examples of what failed on the survey. Kinda gives us things to look for when we are evaluating our next boat. I would guesse the rigging was all shot as a result of racing, probably blown out sails too.
Please let us know

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 09/09/2005 : 08:49:00

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Gloss
 Hey Justin
Could you give us some examples of what failed on the survey. Kinda gives us things to look for when we are evaluating our next boat. I would guesse the rigging was all shot as a result of racing, probably blown out sails too.
Please let us know
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FRANK!
Racing does not break boats! There is no reason to associate racing with a failed survey. Boats are occationally damaged while racing but those events get the cruisers and the daysailers in the area as well. Most damage comes from poor decommissioning and storage. People are on racing boats every week, they are the best maintained boats on the water. It is so odd to me how often your sentiments are expressed on this forum. Do people think those shot gun blast are aimed at the boats? Sight unseeen I would buy a racer before I would buy a nonracer. It is the typical weekend daysailer that scares me, moldy halyards, frozen hardware, neglected leaks, loose rigging, etc; be afraid of those not racers.

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takokichi
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Response Posted - 09/09/2005 : 09:19:44

Re the e-bay boat: Cool!

Re: Calin A Mara's survey - The surveyor never got past sounding the bottom of the boat. He found some significant voids and bubbles in the laminate, then concluded that due to the vagarities of this particular boat's construction, he could not adequately determine what was going on down there, or why. Accordingly, he could not tell me whether the issues are structural or not, nor what it would take to fix them. He also tells me that in his opinion no surveyor could do this without destructive testing - which I'm not interested in. I trust him. He's well reputed and very experienced. He also happens to be the same guy that surveyed tako kichi when I bought her.

Re: Racing boats getting beat up - I think its a myth. While racing can be hard on gear, at times, racers generally take much better care of their boats than non-racers (on average, present company excluded, of course

). As an example - on most race boats sails are treated with superlative care and NEVER allowed to flog. While any given sail configuration is carried into slightly higher wind conditions than a cruise might, the sails are kept under control and flat as much as possible - so again, limited wear. The exception might be spinnakers, but they're generally disposable, anyway.

The same holds true for bottoms, winches, blocks, etc. Everything is well maintained or you can't sail fast.

Interiors are a different question - most racers I know don't treat their interiors as well as cruisers do, but that's usually a questions of an afternoon with a bottle of bleach spray and at worst new cushions.

The new owner of tako kichi would probably tell you that: The sails and rigging are perfect. The bottom is fast. The hull is dry. The winches spin happily. And the cabin is in need of rehab - at least new cushions.

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