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Catbird
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Initially Posted - 09/06/2005 : 12:22:42

Does anyone have experience replacing the teak trim around the companionway entrance? I'm speaking of the trim with the tracks that hold the hatchboards ends in place at the sides. Where to obtain replacements? Tips on removing the old wood and mounting the new? I have an '83 25 ft. hull #3760. Thanks.

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mashedcat
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Response Posted - 09/06/2005 : 13:21:22

First off, how bad is the old stuff? If its not disintegrated, it can probably be removed and restored. Catalina direct may have it, but if they dont and you can find a piece of the old stuff that hs retained the profile of the original you can use that for the pattern and cut new ones. taking the old off is pretty straightforward. Take all the screws out inside the cabin that hold it on then use a heat gun to loosen the bedding compound and pry them off with a putty knife. Be careful though....the old ones could be salvageable, and teak aint cheap.

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Catbird
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Response Posted - 09/06/2005 : 14:41:59

Thanks for the fast response. They're badly split longitudinally. It looks as if they have been used as assist handles for people coming up the companionway from down below. The starboard is pretty well rotted, particularly up near the top of the piece.

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StSimon
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Response Posted - 09/06/2005 : 18:15:39

I just finished removing every piece of exterior teak and applying cetol light + gloss. I had the same problem with the companionway. Catalina Direct had the exact pieces to replace my damaged pieces for $56.95 plus S+H.

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Response Posted - 09/06/2005 : 20:19:40

After buying our '79 C25 last fall, I replaced the exterior companionway track teak (they were cracked longitudinally) and the three door boards (I know they have a name)...anyway, after applying seven coats of Cetol, they look great! I ordered all of the teak from Catalina Direct.
It took forever for them to ship, so order early, and call them often, as they tend to forget things.

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Happy D
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Response Posted - 09/06/2005 : 21:47:27

I am going to be making new ones for my boat. If your not in a rush, I could probably make a set for you at the same time. Drop me an email if you want to go that route.
Dan

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Catbird
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Response Posted - 09/07/2005 : 08:23:47

Great forum! Thanks for all the responses. Dan -- thank you for your offer - I pulled the trigger and ordered the pieces from Catalina Direct yesterday, though.

Does anyone have any tips on removing the old wood and mounting the new wood? What tools and supplies are needed? I've never done anything like this on a boat before.

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bbriner
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Response Posted - 09/07/2005 : 10:05:07

To the last question... what is used for the bedding material? I am looking at the same type of project and am not sure what is used there.
TIA

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 09/07/2005 : 10:28:50

When I removed my teak, I used guitar string to free it from the bedding. This is after removing the screws of course. I don't know what the bedding material was, but it was still pliable and I scraped a majority of it off with a putty knife. I removed the remainder with 3M general purpose adhesive remover. I reinstalled the teak with 3M 4000UV adhesive.

A small sample of the results:

Obviously, I haven't finished replacing the teak plugs.

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JoergK
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Response Posted - 09/07/2005 : 15:11:41

Rick, on your starboard cabin bulkhead - the line "loops" (no idea what to call them)- where can I buy those?

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 09/07/2005 : 15:37:26

They are made by 3M and I picked them up at Home Depot. It was someone on this forum that originally suggested them.

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Happy D
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Response Posted - 09/07/2005 : 16:56:11

The screw heads for the exterior trim were located under the interior trim. I had to remove the interior trim first. The trim on the inside did not want to be removed and all of the heating of the scraper and working it in there did not get it loose. I ended up breaking it and making all new interior trim. When the time comes to re-install all of my teak, it will be bed with plumbers putty.
Dan

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Happy D
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Response Posted - 09/07/2005 : 17:06:55

Rick, It looks like the giant hole for your compass has been filled in. It looks great! I have that big hole in the bulkhead and was wondering what to do about it. I hate it. I wanted to fill it and locate a compass else where, but didn't know where to move it to. I can fill the outside easy, but I'm not sure what to do on the inside. How did you finish the cabin inside were the hole was?
I looked at a round non-opening port, but I'm not crazy about that. They looked rather industrial, just a round port with a ring of screws, so it wasn't exactly what I was looking for.

I see you have an electronic compass and I really like that!! Is that your only compass? Do you like it?
Great photo, and fine looking teak!!

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 09/07/2005 : 18:25:54

Hi Dan,

The hole you see that was filled was actually for some 1980's vintage instruments. There were 2 on that bulkhead, the other was right next to that one. Having built kayaks before, I cut out circles from some of the mahoghany plywood I had left over, epoxied them together and put them in the holes with 3M 5200. As you can see, that one is flexing a bit and showing a crack. I then covered the outside with vinylester, sanded it smooth and painted it with Brightsides. The paint is temporary as I have a number of other repairs that will require gelcoat and I'm going to do all the gelcoat repair at the same time so the tint matches. The inside I did not do much to, you can still see the 5200 and the circles. I did put a mirror over that spot though, so it isn't as noticeable. Honestly, the inside has not had a lot done to it other than refinishing the sole. We are going to start fixing up the inside so we can stay over night in her-haven't done that yet. One point of clarification, that's not an electronic compass, it's a bidata unit from Raymarine, shows depth (160) and speed (4.5 kts). I'm very happy with it, but will be adding a fishfinder next year. I have a regular Plastimo compass on the other bulkhead.
Thanks for the kind words. I'm very pleased with Swimmer, she's turned out to be quite an amazing little boat, at least to me.

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Bruce Ebling
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Response Posted - 09/07/2005 : 20:17:30

I helped my best friend sell his Catalina 25 last spring (he bought a Crealock 34). He has a custom made set of companionway boards that he would make you a great deal on. Let me know if you are interested.
Bruce Ebling (former C25 owner)
CD25D "Selah"

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Response Posted - 09/11/2005 : 02:39:39

Just as an FYI (NO slam at Catalina Direct) the teak pieces I mentioned earlier did not fit. I'm not sure if the ones they sent me were for another application but I had to perform some mods to make them fit. That's part of owning an older boat I am told!! The pieces I refer to are the exterior boards that hold the companionway doors in place. First, they were too long, which a compound miter saw fixed. Then after being bedded and the interior pieces installed I discovered that the hatchboards were too thick to be installed. I compared them to my old teak and found that they were 1/8" different. I hated to do it but already cetoled and installed I used a dado blade on a table saw and notched both ends of all three doors to fit. The result works and shouldn't compromise her security but you wonder how someone can sell a part for a particular application and it doesn't fit. If you went to Autozone to buy an alternator for a '79 Plymouth Fury and after installing it found out it was a part for a "02 Kia Sephia and had to modify the mounts wouldn't you wonder?

Again, I LOVE Catalina Direct and have been thrilled with everything else that have supplied me. This is just a caution to each of you to check and double check parts that you order from any business to be sure they meet your needs before you alter, paint, stain, etc them.

Good luck to you.

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 09/11/2005 : 07:40:41

St Simon,

I'm glad you sorted out the misfitting pieces. Don't be too hard on Catalina Direct. They are a good outfit and try very hard to get you the right stuff. Your analogy to the automotive industry really isn't accurate, because the scale and standardization in the auto industry is a couple of magnitudes greater than in the boating industry. A lot of stuff made for the boating industry is made in small job shops and the vendors change, sometimes within the same model year of the boat.
A recent experience I had with Catalina Direct shows how they try and still things don'twork out.
I wanted toinstall a mast gate on my Capri. They did not have one listed specifically for my boat so I called their tech support. Well they happened to have a Capri mast there and they tried the models of mast gates they had on it and told me it was the one that fits a Catalina 25. Ok, so I buy it, get it and it's 2 inches too short! These openings in the mast are done by hand and mine was obviously made much bigger either at the factory or possibly by a previous owner, but they did try to send me the right part. They took it back and I was only out a couple of bucks for shipping. Unfortunately, none of their other models will fit either so I'll be fabricating my own this winter.

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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 09/11/2005 : 08:56:37

StSimon,

I'm sorry to hear about your confusion with the teak parts. Please realize that although the hardware was mass produced, these boats were assembled by hand. I'd about bet that the conpanionway teak was hand fitted to each boat. What CD did was send you pieces that were at least large enough, expecting you to do the final fitting to your boat. It's usually a good idea to test fit new parts before applying finishes or advesives.

-- Leon Sisson

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 09/11/2005 : 10:48:19

>"I'm glad you sorted out the misfitting pieces. Don't be too hard on Catalina Direct. "
>"I'd about bet that the conpanionway teak was hand fitted to each boat."

As someone who has made new companionway boards for their C25, I can testify to that.
The opening was, shall we say, something less than perfectly symmetrical. :>)

Discovered that fact the hard way after I'd made some cuts based on angles I'd templated from one side. :>(

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Happy D
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Response Posted - 09/11/2005 : 14:34:25

That is the reason I'm making new ones. One of the trim pieces is for 1/2" thick drop boards and the one on the other side is for 5/8" drop boards. One of the trim pieces is too short by about 3/8" and it drives me nuts.
I have a decent wood shop in the back yard and I have made some pieces of furniture. I just can't keep looking at the exterior trim pieces without doing something about them.
The old ones will be kept and I'll end up using it for something.
Dan

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