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tinob
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Initially Posted - 09/22/2005 : 12:55:32

Seems like I'm going for a new motor, the Johnson 9.9 hp goofed up yesterday and that's strike three.

My question to the forum is directed to those of you who have preceeded me in this quest.

The price that I've been quoted for the 9.8 hp Nissan 25" shaft, electric start with alternator is $1995, shipping free and tax free. When questioned the sales person said that the appropriate propellor for the Cat 25 would cost an aditional $68. I'll have to get back to the sales person and ask which prop he is selling me, forgot to ask the obvious.
I'm open to all inputs from those of you who have bought the Nissan/Tohatsu 9.8hp motor and have it in use as we speak. Opinion without experience really not what I'm seeking. Thanks all the same.

Val on Calista # 3936

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 09/22/2005 : 13:05:27

Last year I changed props from a standard prop to a sailboat prop, bigger and flatter. I hated it, it robbed me of my top end, milage and made the boat so slow around the slip that I had to run the motor faster to get anywhere. The improvement in slow speed manouvering did not seem to be there and the rest was bad. I believe Larry had the same experience.
I would take the motor as it is and see if I had any regrets later. If you decide to buy the sail prop you will have the stock as a spare.

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Ben - FL
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Response Posted - 09/22/2005 : 17:44:23

If it is a 25" shaft it should come with the correct prop for sailboat. Don't know what pitch mine is off hand. I'll see if I have the documentation on it. But mine is a three blade. It seems to push pretty good 'cause it looked like I was walking away from the others on the Zoo Cruise last weekend. But that may be that they were not full throttle.
BTW my Tohatsu is a 9.9 hp., 25" shaft and electric start.

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Response Posted - 09/22/2005 : 20:28:53

Ben was right, he did walk away initially, but that was after we waited for him to catch up running at less than half throttle. I have the Tohatsu 9.8 with electric start, 25" shaft, 6 amp alternator and 8.9 X 8.3" prop. This past weekend at a little less than 3/4 throttle made 6.1K for 45.6 NM on five gallons of fuel. That's about .74 gallons per hour. So far I have been very pleased with its performance and reliablility.

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Response Posted - 09/22/2005 : 22:35:41

I too got the tohatsu 9.8 xl shaft with the standard prop and have not regretted it a bit. Good control, plenty of push, easy electric start. So far it has been a great motor. Dan

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Response Posted - 09/22/2005 : 22:48:03

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Ben - FL
 ...BTW my Tohatsu is a 9.9 hp., 25" shaft and electric start.
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That sounds like a 2-stroke. Their new 4-stroke is 9.8, and as far as I know, their old (monstrous) 9.9 4-stroke didn't offer a 25" shaft.

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Response Posted - 09/23/2005 : 08:31:38

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Ben - FL
 If it is a 25" shaft it should come with the correct prop for sailboat. Don't know what pitch mine is off hand. I'll see if I have the documentation on it. But mine is a three blade. It seems to push pretty good 'cause it looked like I was walking away from the others on the Zoo Cruise last weekend. But that may be that they were not full throttle.
BTW my Tohatsu is a 9.9 hp., 25" shaft and electric start.
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Ben is correct provided it is the 9.8 tohatsu or 9.9. ( think the old 2 stoke if you can still find one is a 9.8).. Double check if you get the 8hp with the 25" shaft. That one comes with the middle of the three props. (by the way, the 8 is plenty big for our needs and cheaper)

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tinob
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Response Posted - 09/23/2005 : 08:53:54

Thanks all...glad I asked I'll look into the eight perhaps it will do.

I thought about the two stroke but it was taken out of my hands. They don't make them any longer.

Frank I agree that I can always get the " right prop"

I'll get back to you all when I come through this.

Val on Calista # 3936

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Response Posted - 09/23/2005 : 11:21:33

That's what I'm running with Val, an 8hp. It is supposedly an almost exact motor. Someone tried to explain this to me once, but I'm not a gearhead. I just knew that my 1979 Johnson 9.9 two stroke hit hull speed well before full throttle. The 8hp is the same way - I hit hull speed at around 75 percent full throttle. It handles the 4 footers on Lake Erie well enough to get me in and out of the marina and outside the breakwall.

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tinob
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Response Posted - 09/23/2005 : 13:12:51

Where to start...where to start,

Just checked with Onboardoutboards in Tennessee, The 8 hp unit is not available in 25 inch shaft...The 9.8 25" electric start does not have an alternator...all 06 models. Their web page disagrees with the e-mail I just received...on the web page they claim the 9.8 does have an alternator, on the plus side is an additional reduction in price on all models of concern. The Tohatsu is going for $ 1875 perhaps reflecting the loss of the alternator. I don't know. I'll telephone them and hope to straighten this out.

Val on Calista # 3936

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atgep
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Response Posted - 09/23/2005 : 17:48:07

Where did you see the price of 1875?

Tom.

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 09/24/2005 : 06:45:18

Just checked my Tohatsu manual which indicates....
Our Tohatsu is a 4strk 2 cyl 9.8HP
The serial # indicates it's a type MF, and the manual seems to indicate (confusing) that it is a short shaft, but obviously it's not.
Types EF and EP have Electric Motor start (ours does)
All have 'Flywheel Magneto C.D. ignition'

There is no mention of an 'alternator'.
It does not state fuel consumption.
The invoice states it has 80watt charging, 25" shaft and cost $2195 (Gulp)

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tinob
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Response Posted - 09/24/2005 : 09:00:01

Tom,

I have two sources one available now is, tine@porta-bote.com listing the Nissan at $1925 and the Tohatsu at $ 1875. For the moment I've managed to have misplaced the other sourse.

Val on Calista # 3936

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tinob
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Response Posted - 09/24/2005 : 09:23:40

Tom,

I found one other supplier for Nissan/Tohatsu it is onlineoutboards.com. Also the alternator though available is not factory installed...go figure.

They also claim that the Nissan and Tohatsu are identical in ever respect except for the decals that each bear. And for this they charge something extra. Tohatsu makes all Nissan motors(Mercury as well)but dont offer the Mercury because it is more expensive...This is dizzying.

Val on Calista # 3936

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atgep
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Response Posted - 09/24/2005 : 12:48:02

I ordered the nissan 9.8 last week. All the literature I have read says the alternator is optional. So is elect start. I have never seen an outboard with electric start not have an alternator. If it has a starter, I bet it has an alternator.

The engine is supposed to be in by the end of next week. I will let you all know what it actually has.

The defender website says it has a 6amp alternator.

Tom.

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thacket3
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Response Posted - 09/26/2005 : 10:02:42

I bought my ( the last one they had) 2 stroke 9.8 Nissan from Online outboards about a year and a half ago. Was a greate transaction. The only downside, I had it delivered to my office and it came via UPS. The box was much bigger than I could put in my car! But overall, the transaction was great. I have had a hard time finding someone to service the engine and I live in Ft Lauderdale, so I would have thought it would have been easy. My other comment, I went from a 1980 something Johnson 9.9 sailmaster and I find the Nissan has a little less power than the Johnson did. But the johnson was a 20" shaft and the Nissan a 25, and that has more than made up for the small loss of power.

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tinob
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Response Posted - 09/26/2005 : 10:56:36

Hi Tom

Which Nissan dealer did you buy from, Tine @fold boat or Onlineoutboards.com ? Or perhaps someone else.

I dealth with ONLINEOUTBOARD.com and spoke with Chris Collins, the Tennessee outfit. Tine at fold-boat is in California and since I'm in New York decided to go with Online.

I'll let you know when things develope. Please do the same.

Val on Calista # 3936

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tinob
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Response Posted - 09/26/2005 : 13:57:23

Good News!!!!!

I just got an e-mail from Chris of Onlineoutboards.com in which he states that the 25 inch Tohatsu/Nissan electric start comes with a factory installed alternator

Darn I knew I should have ordered two of them. Also the standard prop on that model is designed for the sailboat's displacement hull. Sounds good, I can't wait, I can't wait

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Val on Calista # 3936

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DanM
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Response Posted - 09/26/2005 : 16:22:08

Sounds like you're all set, Val. For what its worth, The only thing I could find back in early July was a Nissan 9.8A22 4-stroke with 20" shaft from Porta-bote. That was $1,670 without the electrics. They advised the alternator could be added later for about $119, or a starter/alternator for $500. Everything else was out of stock, 2-3 months, everywhere. Happy with Porta-bote's fast service&free shipping.
As for performance, it is easy to pull-start and I have had no need to open more than half-throttle to push along at 6k. Any more than that almost submerges the engine. My mount must be low enough that the 20" shaft is no problem, (but I will try to adjust the trim angle).

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tinob
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Response Posted - 09/27/2005 : 09:23:21

Hi Dan,

Happy to hear that you're satisfied with your Nissan/Tohatsu. Use it in good health. Hope I'll have the same experience...I'll keep you informed.

Val on Calista # 3936

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atgep
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Response Posted - 09/27/2005 : 11:24:11

I ordered it from Onlineoutboards. I am still waiting for some kind of shipping confirmation. I was told last tues that there were 14 coming in last week. I ordered the last one that was not spoken for. He told me he would email me the day after it ships. I have not heard back yet. I was hoping to get it sometime this week so I could do the break in. Oh well, time to be patient. BTW, The Tohatsu were out of stock till at least Oct 15.

Tom.

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tinob
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Response Posted - 09/27/2005 : 17:05:49

I share your anxiety Tom time to break out the worry beads

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