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Frank Hopper
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Pitcairn Island
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Response Posted - 12/20/2005 : 09:56:33

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 ...Also note my transom has no notch.
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Oh there's a notch...it just goes all the way across the transom.

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djn
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Response Posted - 12/20/2005 : 10:05:16

Hi Frank, is there one balanced rudder that is better than the rest? Who would you buy on from? Cheers.

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Frank Hopper
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Pitcairn Island
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Response Posted - 12/20/2005 : 14:02:40

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Captain Bill
 Not to rehash an old topic but I thought you may be interested in a picutre I found of youngest son enjoying the Pamlico River view on a 2004 Thanksgiving cruise while perched on the seats mentioned above.

Happy sailing, Bill
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I think your boom has been shortened. Could you provide us a picture with the sail raised so we can see how far back the clew is. Are you sure your main's foot measures correctly? The more I look at this rig the stranger it gets. What is the large bail at the end of the boom for?
In the first pictures it looks like the dual mainsheets are made off to the base of the stern rail at the forward stanchions. I looked under my coaming the other day and the port forward sternrail stanchin is where the wiring enters the railing to go to the stern light. It has no nuts on my boat on either side of the boat. Catalina has embeded brass plates several places around the transom to allow for machine screws as fasteners rather than through bolts. Machine screws in brass do not seem to be a good solution for the loads of a mainsheet. You can see these mountings from insid ethe locker and in the quarterberth between the liners. Please check yours, do you have nuts?

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 12/20/2005 : 14:03:05

I got a retrofit balanced rudder from Catalina Direct--no issue that I know of about the length, but it's longer than needed for my boat. I have it set fairly low so the step on the forward edge is several inches below the skeg--probably not ideal for minimizing turbulence and drag, but good for increasing purchase.

That mainsheet setup is an interesting option--it seems you could have two independent sheets going to two eyes on the cabintop or transom and get all of the control of a "real" traveler without the bar, but you'd have to cleat and release on each tack. If you did it with one continuous sheet and two sets of blocks, I suspect it wouldn't give you the control options, but it would be self-tending. Hmmmmm...

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 12/20/2005 : 18:30:50

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 That mainsheet setup is an interesting option--it seems you could have two independent sheets going to two eyes on the cabintop or transom and get all of the control of a "real" traveler without the bar, but you'd have to cleat and release on each tack. If you did it with one continuous sheet and two sets of blocks, I suspect it wouldn't give you the control options, but it would be self-tending. Hmmmmm...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

My Venture 25 came with a mainsheet setup just as you described, with a continuous sheet going from port to starboard through a fiddle on the boom. It had even less utility than the stock C25 traveller.

As for Bill's dual mainsheet setup, I've seen this on several boats including a Catalina 27. I use a technique that is similar to this dual mainsheet setup and it allows one to position the boom and control leech tension with a far greater degree of effectiveness than the stock setup.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 12/20/2005 : 18:36:23

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 ...I think your boom has been shortened. Could you provide us a picture with the sail raised so we can see how far back the clew is. Are you sure your main's foot measures correctly? The more I look at this rig the stranger it gets...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Frank,

Looking at the picture Bill first posted, you can see his mainsheets are attached midway between his winches and the transom which is exactly where the end of the stock boom is located.

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Captain Bill
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Response Posted - 12/20/2005 : 20:19:05

Frank,
I don't recall the boom being shortened. No Pictures under sail! Here are a couple of shots taken after bottom was cleaned and painted. Maybe you can tell from these. I'll have to measure boom next trip to marina, possibly this weekend, forcast low 60s! I'll also check for bolts.

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Captain Bill
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Response Posted - 12/20/2005 : 20:27:08

Don,
I think we've got good mainsail shape but the traveler may be quicker to tack.

Dave,
We have two main sheets: Port and Starboard, each independently of the other, each with its own set of blocks. They are not attached to backstay but are attached at the end of the boom. The only problem I have with this setup is that it takes up cockpit space and is awkward. But I still enjoy sailing it!!

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Frank Hopper
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Pitcairn Island
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Response Posted - 12/20/2005 : 20:39:13

The boom looks right in these other pictures. I am still concerned about the machine screws on the stern rail. These are the pictures of mine... maybe mine simply did not get the nuts on the line.

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Captain Bill
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Response Posted - 12/20/2005 : 20:41:47

Larry,

Our ships must be related. You might also have a hatch leak. I found that I had rain water coming in through the vent opening in the hatch boards. From the cabin looking out through the vent it seemed very large. Water was pouring in especially when we had a "Nor'easter". I solved this by taking about a foot of automobile heater hose (5/8", I think) slicing it from end to end on one side, and placing it on the lip of the middle hatch board. This plugged the leak and left some space on either side of the hose for ventalation. Checked last weekend and bone dry!!

I just followed the picture routine described by Don at the beginning of the forum. I did the test before I posted. It's really easier than described with the cut and paste routines. I'm computer challenged so those instructions by Don must be great. Your web page looks great. I hope to get my boat looking that good before next sailing season.

Bill

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 12/21/2005 : 10:17:41

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 I am still concerned about the machine screws on the stern rail. These are the pictures of mine... maybe mine simply did not get the nuts on the line.
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Sure looks like it... I'd put a fender washer and nut on each one.

Bill: The stock mainsheet is awkward, too... At least yours are vertical (fore-to-aft) and have slightly less chance of decapitating the helmsman! Is it a little tricky to control a jibe (or gybe if you prefer)?

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Captain Bill
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Response Posted - 12/21/2005 : 11:10:28

Dave,
Good point, that makes me feel better about my set up. Apparently it's rare for this type boat. I think we control a jibe fairly well but I don't sail in treacherous weather like those guys in SF Bay! Some around here call my set up a "Jerry Rig".

I haven't been decapitated yet but sometimes think I've lost it some where along the way!

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 12/22/2005 : 17:49:27

Bill,

Thanks for the advice about potential leaks with the hatch boards. So far, there is no evidence of any leak from that area or any other area. One area I was expecting to see some evidence of moisture, etc was removing the access cover to the keel bolts/bilge area. But that area is bone dry and no previous evidence of any problems - All keel bolt threads were shiny.

Maybe I will experiment this weekend with posting single photos on the test page. Too lazy to try it up to now - Just took the easy way out and reference my website. I have what I think is a great hookup I made for my 20 Watt solar panel. Just have to find time to load the photos onto my website.

Larry

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atgep
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Response Posted - 12/22/2005 : 18:54:57

Frank, You may find the stern rail threads into brass plates. That is how the rear supports are on mine. Forward supports have limited access in the q birth and sail locker.

Tom.

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oldsalt
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Response Posted - 12/26/2005 : 10:38:50

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 ...Also note my transom has no notch.
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Oh there's a notch...it just goes all the way across the transom.

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Actually not! I tried to borrow a rudder from another earlier Catalina 25 and it was too short to get the tiller past my transom! It has made me wonder how many versions of the balanced rudder there are. i wonder if Ctalina requires the year of your boat to ensure the rudder is the right length or if they ship tall ones to everyone. I also wonder if IDA Rudder knows.
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When ordering a balanced rudder from Catalina Direct, they need to know the year and hull number of your boat to ensure that you get one that fits.

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 12/27/2005 : 08:44:01

Just remember that there are three sizes of balanced rudders

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