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seastream
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Initially Posted - 12/04/2005 : 21:29:58

Friends:

It was with mixed feelings of jubilation and trepidation that we finally jumped. My wife and I closed on a 2002 C320 on Saturday, 11-19-05. I even gave her three chances to back out, but she stuck. There's none better in my world. This may be the second most important time that she's granted my wish when she didn't have to. I'd still love her even if she'd said no, but...I think you get my point.

We'd still be in our C25, Illusion, but for standing headroom belowdecks. The C25 is one of the best boats around, given it's simplicity of design and ease of handling. Why Frank Butler didn't give it 6' headroom escapes me. Even now I walk around the 320 cabin bent over...gonna be a hard habit to break.

The knowledge and generosity of folks on this forum overwhelms me. I'm going to come around now and then if nobody minds, 'cuz there's some things all boats share in common regardless of size...and this is one of the best forums going.

If Illusion doesn't sell within a year, we'll donate her to some charity. Ideally, we'd like to see her wind up as part of a sailing school.

Below is the best image I have of the new boat, prior to her being hauled for the winter.

Regards,

Bob

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 12/04/2005 : 21:56:29

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by seastream
 Friends:

Why Frank Butler didn't give it [the Catalina 25] 6' headroom escapes me. Even now I walk around the 320 cabin bent over...gonna be a hard habit to break.
Bob
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I suspect that the headroom issue in the C-25 is simply a matter of the ratio of beam to height. In other words, to make the C-25 any taller, the hull design would probably have to be wider, like the Capri 25 is, so as to retain the same "form stability factor" (righting moment). If the C-25 was any wider, it would require a "wide load permit" to be trailerable, and that's an inconvienience that many trailer-sailors would not want to put up with. To put the issue into perspective, there are few other, if any, 25' sailboats that are as easily trailerable as the Catalina 25, as affordable, and that have even as much headroom, let alone more. Compare a C-25WK to a C-250WK, and the C-25 seems as roomy as a C-30. Of course, that's not a fair comparison as the C-250 can sail rings around the C-25 in any wind under about 12 mph...the C-250 is a different boat, designed for a sailor that wants snappy performance and is willing to forgo some amenities and creature comforts.

Anyway, CONGRATULATIONS on your new boat! Several of my friends here in Fleet 4 who have been to recent boat shows in the Bay Area have comented favorably on the 320, although I've not seen one myself.

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Response Posted - 12/04/2005 : 23:33:30

WOW ... she's a beauty!

Congratulations, Bob ... and don't be a stranger ... we might be jealous, but we won't run you off!

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Response Posted - 12/05/2005 : 00:22:46

Hey there Bob.
Jim Baumgart joined my wife, Susie, and I on our boat today sailing off the coast of San Diego. Beautiful day with excellent wind all afternoon.
How ironic that you buy the very boat we (Jim and I) were talking about out on the Pacific today and would like to buy if we had the money and were to move up. The C320 is an awsome boat and I'm sure you'll enjoy the heck out of it. There have been several for sail in the Southern California area but they have all sold quickly.
For us a trailerable boat fits our needs and we (my wife and I) are "height restricted" but I still manage to bash my head at least once each and ever time I am on board. Just today I again hit one of the hatch knobs and when my wife (again) said I should be more careful I told her we need to buy a C320 and I wouldn't have this problem/pain. She laughed and that usually means "forget it"!

After our two kids are out of college we might be able to move up

Do stick around the website. The more the merrier. And post lots of pictures

of your new boat and especially when under sail on the water. Photos of boats while sailing are the best!!!

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Response Posted - 12/05/2005 : 07:51:59

Good Luck Bob!
Are you still going to be at Great Bay?

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Response Posted - 12/05/2005 : 11:43:09

"C-250 can sail rings around the C-25 in any wind under about 12 mph"
Really Larry, I've yet to have one sail by me (except for the TR250 at the Portland Nationals) even in very light air. In fact a couple of years ago I used to go out on TSU against Steve Steakley in his WK 250 and Bren Petersen in his WB250 - I had to do 360's to let them catch up with me!
Derek

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Response Posted - 12/05/2005 : 14:11:53

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Derek Crawford
 "C-250 can sail rings around the C-25 in any wind under about 12 mph"
Really Larry, I've yet to have one sail by me (except for the TR250 at the Portland Nationals) even in very light air. In fact a couple of years ago I used to go out on TSU against Steve Steakley in his WK 250 and Bren Petersen in his WB250 - I had to do 360's to let them catch up with me! Derek<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I can vouch for that ... I was there, too ... Derek was kind enough to leave me off the list. My SR with blown-out pillow case sails couldn't catch up to ANY of them ... I had to "cheat" and cut off a leg to even get within shouting distance

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Response Posted - 12/05/2005 : 15:51:42

Congrats Bob! The 320 is indeed a lovely boat. We almost bought one ourselves.

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Response Posted - 12/08/2005 : 10:02:49

Great boat and even greater WIFE, Bob...Give them a big hug from me.

Val on the hard DAGNABIT # 3936

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Response Posted - 12/09/2005 : 22:09:34

Yes, Rick, we'll still be at Great Bay Marina. Since the C320 waterline to masthead requires 48' clearance (51 with the VHF whip) we're changing moorings so as to be on the downriver side of a 46' fixed bridge. We could squeak under it at low tide, but don't want the tides to dictate our sailings.

The move requires upgrading the dinghys 2hp Honda (only 20 hours on it!) to 8hp, since the new mooring is a bit further from the marina, and we'll be dealing with river currents as well. I could have had a Nissan for less, but this way I can trade the 'old' Honda and do everything at once, in the same place.

Bob

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