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kevinmac
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Initially Posted - 01/25/2006 : 23:06:59

This is a big question, and I know it. I just hoping for some clues, to the extent you can provide them, without writing a book.

I am not familiar with fiberglass boat construction. I need to install a GPS (A Garmin 192C that I stole on sale, must be a new model coming out). I also want to put some golf cart batteries under the forward berth as Arlyn has, and install a battery charger, shore power connection etc. Lastly, I want to install a bilge pump.

My problem is I don't have much of a clue where the spaces are that things can be run. I don't have a clue, for example, where to run the hose from a bilge pump to, or how to get it there. I have seen some great pictures of where in the bilge to put one, but I have not been able to absorb where the plumbing run is. Can you get underneath the sole aft of the bilge, for example? (I have the teak and holly sole).

I also read about "liners", and people running wires from aft to forward in various ways, but because I don't have a basic understanding of how the boat is built, I don't completely understand these messages.

Any advice, hints and description you can provide would be very much appreciated.

Kevin Mackenzie
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mday
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Response Posted - 01/26/2006 : 17:48:56

Kevin,

I trust your docking experiences haven't caused you to give up on some more sailing versus projects at the dock.

Anyway, I'm sure there are many in this forum who know alot about boat construction, but you can get some ideas about what liners are by visiting beneteauusa.com and looking at their virtual factory tour. I think it's under the "About Us" section. I didn't find a similar tour at the Catalina web site .... but maybe there is one. In short, there are interior "liners" that have some space between them and the outer hull for running wires. Most of us find that we can run wires from behind the (removable) aft bulkhead and behind the liner that runs along the sides of the aft berth. In my WB, there's actually a finger wide space along the side of the aft berth you can tuck wiring into and fish it up to the breaker panel area.

Your bilge pump question puzzles me. You should have a manual bilge pump (back by the swim ladder) with a hose already installed. In my WB, the hose runs down underneath a panel in the floor behind the steps. I'm not sure where it runs to in a WK.

Your "crew" looks like it wants a ride.

Max

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Tom Potter
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Response Posted - 01/26/2006 : 19:39:41

Kevin, I installed my pump back in October. I ran the hose for my new bilge pump right along side of the existing hand pump hose.

From the bilge where the pump is located

to the wet locker where I had to drill two holes large enough for the new hose to pass through. (the white hose is the new pump hose)

Then ran the hose back through the aft compartment area. It lays next to the hand pump hose, on the port side berth area.

I drilled a hole and installed a through hull fitting next to the existing hand pump through hull.

I installed the pump switch on the starboard side beside the propane valve switch and ran the wires down under the galley to the pump.

Hope this helps.

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mday
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Response Posted - 01/27/2006 : 00:25:36

Tom,

So do you get enough water in the bilge to justify an electric pump??????? Mine's usually dry as a bone! Although it is the desert! I guess Kevin has MUCH more rain. The football playoffs commented that it had rained every day for 28(?) days straight in Seattle!!!

Max

PS Not a drop of rain here for 98 days! Severe drought conditions, but water in the lake for sailing.

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Jack Schafer
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Response Posted - 01/27/2006 : 11:48:51

Kevin,
I have a 1995 WB and added an electric bilge pump to the end of the existing hand pump hose. Amazingly enough they both work.

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Tom Potter
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Response Posted - 01/27/2006 : 18:43:59

Max,
Not a drop of water ever in my bilge. I installed the pump for peace of mind. It's one of those things I hope I never have to use, but its there if I need it.

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kevinmac
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Response Posted - 01/28/2006 : 00:10:19

Sigh. I have about a 1/2" per week of water in my bilge. I think it is rain, because the only through hull below the water line is the factory installed depth and speed transducers, and there is no apparent leakage there. Probably from the cockpit coaming compartments, whatever they are called. It is supposed to rain some more this weekend, I plan to go out to the boat and crawl around, see if I can figure out where it is coming from.

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welshoff
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Response Posted - 01/28/2006 : 11:45:45

Kevin,
I found water will also leak in around your companionway. If you have the canvas cover, this well help eliminate leaks in this area.

I put a throwable cusion on the sliding hatch before I snap the canvas cover in place. This gives a "dome" effect to the canvas to help shed the water away.

Also, the coaming pockets do let a lot of water in my boat and I have to always pull out the aft compartment cushions or they end up soaking the water up as it runs from the battery/aft area forward (on its way to the bilge). I am going to seal up the coming compartments. In addition, the drain holes in my comparments are not all in the right spot. Only two of them actually drain the compartments. Two are lower than the compartments (factory details) and don't even enter the coaming compartents. I plan to seal and place appropriate drains in the near future to eliminate this on going problem. I always had some water in the bilge as well and believe the problem lies in the coming compartments.

This winter I installed a boat cover to shed the water. It goes down to the lifelines. I put it on right after Thanksgiving. As you know it rains quite hard a couple months out of the year up here in the great PNW. My bilge has been dry since the cover went in place. I am going to remove it in about a month and will do the above sealing efforts prior to see if I can keep a dry interior boat.

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kevinmac
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Response Posted - 01/28/2006 : 12:18:55

Thanks Wil. Your cushion idea (for the cover) is one of those "duh, why didn't I think of that" moments for me, thanks. I had been watching the lake form on top of the cover...and trying to figure out what to do about it.

I am going to crawl around inside the boat today as we get our deluge, see if I can see any leaks.

I also am starting to wonder if I need to pull the boat out of the water. The newspaper implies today that we might see floods here to rival the 1996 "100 year" flood... It would be a very cold, we experience to take the boat out, because the ramp dock is only reachable by wading to probably thigh height right now, the water is so much higher than it's supposed to be. Or at least it was last week, gotta go look this morning.

I'll say hello to Noah for you.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/28/2006 : 12:48:43

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by kevinmac
 I am going to crawl around inside the boat today as we get our deluge, see if I can see any leaks.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

If it doesn't rain, you could always simulate rain with a garden hose...It might even be easier to localize the probem.

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atgep
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Response Posted - 01/28/2006 : 13:31:21

If you have the means to pull the boat, It might not be a bad idea. In the past 3 years, I have pulled my boat out 4 times for hurricanes. We got hit with 2. The thing about the water is, once you realize you need to do something, it is usually too late to do anything.

Tom.

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