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mfasis
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Initially Posted - 01/29/2006 : 17:14:02

I am buying a new main this year. I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on the Ullman Offshore being sold by Catalina Direct.

http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display& Product_ID=828

Mainly, I was wondering about quality.

Mark Britton
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'82 C25 FK/SR #3202
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Response Posted - 01/29/2006 : 17:50:49

Dear Mark:
In 2001 I replaced my main (CIRCA 1985)with an Ulman and noticed a marked improvement in quality of construction and it seems to feel much stronger in the higher winds

. It's bit more cumbersome to flake on the boom versus a main without full battens (obviously) but I feel it can take whatever Lake Michigan wants to dish out.
yours,
Ron

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 01/29/2006 : 21:13:05

Those sails are produced by the Ullman Ventura loft where Gary Swenson is in charge. I trust anything Gary would design.

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Response Posted - 01/30/2006 : 07:22:50

I have two Ullman sails. A 135 headsail built for a furler which I bought through Catalina Direct, and a full batten, loose footed main which I bought from Gary Swenson.
Catalina Direct adds a huge (I think) stick on logo/advertisement for Catalina Direct which surrounds the Ullman logo. Very Ugly.
When I bought my main from Gary, he also made me an anchor riding sail for only 80 bucks, which is an incredible price.
If you spend any time on the hook at all, I recommend the riding sail, it makes a huge difference. Gary also added a second set of reef points to the main. I'm very pleased with both sails, except for that big ugly Catalina Direct logo. We should be paid to advertise.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Lowell at catalina direct, I just don't like a big ugly logo.

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Response Posted - 01/30/2006 : 07:33:46

Hair dryer

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tinob
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Response Posted - 01/30/2006 : 09:05:32

Mark,

I've been using Ullman Sails of Ventura for eight years now without fault. I have a tall, loose footed main with full battens and a 150 foam luff genny and though I don't go off shore for personal reasons would if I chose to, confident in the Ullman quality.

Val on the hard DAGNABIT # 3936 Patchogue,N.Y.

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Response Posted - 01/30/2006 : 11:24:16

Val,

How effective is the foam luff? Do you like it?...I may upgrade my headsail in the next year or two and I'm debating the foam/rope luff option.

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Response Posted - 01/30/2006 : 13:44:32

Don,

I'd love to give you a really tight evaluation of the foam luff, but to be honest I forget things easily.

I do remember that the sail when furled as new looked like a tube about six or more inches in diameter. At the time I wondered ,"what the h@#l is that all about and remember asking a slip mate about it, he said ,"enjoy it while it lasts". Over the past three years it has mellowed some. When taking in a reef, though the tube narrowed some, there didn't seem to be any distortion in the luff as we get used to seeing in a non-foam luff sail when reefed. But hey, those are racers concerns, not mine. Besides it gives more substance to the leading edge and that's a positive in my books. More than that I can't say. Sorry.

Val on the hard DAGNABIT # 3936 Patchogue, N.Y.

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Response Posted - 01/30/2006 : 13:50:37

I wanted a foam luff on my new custom 135 from Gary and he talked me out of it. His point was that it was not worth what it did to the air flow of the full sail, (remmember this is a 135), and that by the time I roll up any of my sail the wind will be so high that the luff will not matter much. A 150 may be a different equation with so much cloth and the need to reef earlier.

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Response Posted - 01/30/2006 : 15:47:01

Thanks for all the great feedback.

I guess my trepidation stemmed from the fact that the "Offshore" sail sold by CD is designed by Gary but put together "Offshore".

http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=189

But, I think I will go ahead and buy it.

Thanks again.

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Response Posted - 01/30/2006 : 16:01:27

buy direct from Ulman Sail Ventura. I did. Gary built my 135 roller furling headsail, sent it to me, THEN asked for my credit card #. Amazing. Sail is super quality.

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Response Posted - 01/30/2006 : 16:05:29

So who do you buy the sail from, Ullman or CD?

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Response Posted - 01/30/2006 : 19:06:25

Mark, if you read our posts carefully you will see that we trust what ever gary says is ok. If you want to hear his schpeel then call him and he will explain how his modem talks directly to the cutter overseas, so his sails are exactly what he wants them o be, they are not a re-branded Asian sail like so many lofts sell. My main is one of those and I couldn't be happier with it.

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Response Posted - 01/31/2006 : 14:18:56

I'm very happy with my tall rig, full battened, loose footed Ullman main as well.

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Response Posted - 01/31/2006 : 16:01:48

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">they are not a re-branded Asian sail like so many lofts sell.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Frank,

Thank you. That is exactly what I wanted to hear.

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Response Posted - 01/31/2006 : 21:22:25

I have one of Gary's reacher/drifters and it is great. And seeings how my jib has about 35 ft of sail tape on it I'm about to have him build me a new one.

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Response Posted - 02/01/2006 : 09:51:24

Does anyone have a photo of the Ullman sails bought from Catalina Direct? Does it have a big CD logo and if so, is it easily removed? I'm looking at 2 different sails at CD:
-The 135% offshore furling genoa for $875.
-The Ullman 135% furling genoa for $883. Now, it doesn't seem to make sense, but the tall rig version with UV cover is $823.
The website says they are both Ullman and I thought the offshore would be more expensive. The site doesn't give details on the differences so I'll probably call. Does anyone here know the difference and recommend one over the other?
My current genoa that is tearing is a 150%, but some people are saying the 135% is popular because it is a good compromise for different conditions. I'm new to sailing and on the Chesapeake Bay, so if anyone else has some recommendations on which would be my best option, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks for the help,

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Response Posted - 02/01/2006 : 10:22:45

I would assume 150 in the bay, the light winds of Newport almost killed the America's cup due to boredom.

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Response Posted - 02/01/2006 : 14:38:51

Okay, I just called CD. The two sails are the same, only the cheaper one (Offshore) is sewn in Asia. The sewn on UV cover is white and there is a 6" Catalina Direct logo on the tack of the sail.

Now I just have to decide on either a 135% or 150%. Not that big of a price difference, $875 vs. $930.

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Response Posted - 02/01/2006 : 15:08:17

On my custom Ullman sail I went with a UV resistant white dacron sun cover instead of the heavier Sunbrella, it should sail better that way and the uv resistant Dacron is almost as good as the Subrella, I figue it is the stitching that goes first anyway so when it does I will just get a new dacron cover, after two or three I will need a new sail anyway.

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