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coldducks
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Initially Posted - 05/13/2002 : 07:13:31

our first problem with this new boat. started out of our slip yesterday and found we could not shift into reverse. we have pedestal steering with remote hookups. we can shift into forward but the cable will not allow us to go into reverse. we disconnected the cable from the engine and can move the cable back and forth by hand. it seems to be kinked inside. i am sure we will have to replace it. has anyone done this. i am assumming that you have to take the pedestal apart to get to the cable. any suggestions? thanks!

COLDDUCKS
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RichardG
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Response Posted - 05/13/2002 : 17:19:51

When I was in high school I had an old Toyota truck in which the reverse gear did not operate and to get it fixed would have cost much more than I paid for the truck. Once I got accustomed to it, however, I found that it was not that difficult avoiding situations where I would need it. Now I am older and have a C25 with outboard in which the reverse gear does work. However, the thought pattern has not gone away and I find that I rarely use reverse (in my boat anyway -- I have gotten lazy in my old age and use reverse all the time in my car).

RichardG 81 C25 SR/FK "Sanity"

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Response Posted - 05/13/2002 : 19:56:58

There are a few very knowledgeable and experienced sailors who recomend having no engine at all (the theory being that relying on engines prevents sailors from learning the skills necessary to manuever when Murphy's Law kicks in). I agree with the theory, but in practice, it seems a bit extreme.

RichardG 81 C25 SR/FK "Sanity"

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coldducks
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Response Posted - 05/13/2002 : 20:01:44

we only need it to get out of the slip....there are too many very expensive boats near us for us to take the chance of not being able to back out with some confidence..and steering ability.

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OJ
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Response Posted - 05/14/2002 : 20:03:07

Richard? are you related to Garrison Keillor?

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Response Posted - 05/14/2002 : 20:41:05

First I recomend contacting the manufacturing company that made the unit. Is there a manual or parts catalouge. Look for all the info you can find before replacing the cable. Next is there an adjustable end to the cable. Perhaps the throw in one direction is greater. The cable may need to be rigged with it connected in neautral or the engine in neautral. Im assuming its some type of teleflex cable there for it must have some type of adjustment ability. Second thought outboards dont like to shift gears if they are above idle or the idle is a bit to high. You might overcome this with the cable disconected but cant shift with the cable hooked up due to to much stress or force on the cable mechanism. If there is no adjustment can it be adjusted in neautral by sliding the cable in its clamp point at the stern or motor end. Just a few thoughts.

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Response Posted - 05/15/2002 : 13:12:25

Steve:

Sorry, but I do not know who Garrison Keillor is.

In leaving my slip, I simply walk the boat out slowly and jump on, letting inertia take over which gives me plenty of time to get back to put the engine in forward. Coming back in (or when picking up a mooring), I put the engine in neutral soon enough (maybe 1 1/2 boat lengths before initiating a quick 90 degree turn, which itself decreases significant momentum) so that I have almost no forward motion after I have entered the slip. Jumping off (or grabbing the mooring pole) and completely stopping the boat then takes little effort. Setting an anchor is a little bit more difficult without using reverse, but with proper planning you can let your momentum set it sufficiently without using the engine.

Using reverse in my car is certainly more of a necessity now, as parking is much tougher in LA than 20 years ago in Portland when I was in high school. Oh, those were simpler times....

RichardG 81 C25 SR/FK "Sanity"

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Response Posted - 05/15/2002 : 14:02:48

Richard, the way you talked about your old Toyota truck and so on is similiar to the way Garrison Keillor tells his stories. His radio shows are live on Saturdays at 6 p.m. EST on PBS. I think you'd enjoy his "Lake Webegon" stories.

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Response Posted - 05/15/2002 : 16:11:25

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Richard, the way you talked about your old Toyota truck and so on is similiar to the way Garrison Keillor tells his stories. His radio shows are live on Saturdays at 6 p.m. EST on PBS. I think you'd enjoy his "Lake Webegon" stories.
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I used to listen to this dude when I was about 11 or 12. He sits there and pretty much makes up the stories from Lake Wobegone as he goes, At least he used to do them ad lib......Your right OJ, he sounds just like him.

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coldducks
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Response Posted - 05/15/2002 : 17:41:48

thanks richard, but you dont seem to undersand, we already have the cable and it is broken. this is a new boat, so i certainly dont think we will leave it that way. but thanks for you comments.

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Response Posted - 05/15/2002 : 19:07:34

Coldducks:

Sorry -- Don't know much about cables.

RichardG 81 C25 SR/FK "Sanity"

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 05/15/2002 : 21:49:41

Do you mean new boat from dealer (Warranty) or new to you (Your problem).

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Rick Heaverly 86 C25 5382
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Response Posted - 05/16/2002 : 06:34:39

I just picked up a 1988 Yamaha outboard last Saturday. After installing the remote I found that it would not shift into reverse. On the side of the housing there is a rubber port cover you can remove and place a 10mm socket on the end of a square shaft. This lets you manually shift from forward to nuetral and reverse. If you cannot shift into reverse manually then it's not the cable it's the linkage which needs to be adjusted.

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coldducks
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Response Posted - 05/16/2002 : 07:10:53

this will be our third summer with this boat. new from the dealer. the engine was purchased elsewhere along with the remote cables. it is definately the cable, because if we unhook it we can manually shift the engine. the engine is under warranty, but since the dealer "installed" then engine, that we bought elsewhere, the "engine dealer" does not guarantee the "installation of the cables, done by the boat dealer"...YADA YADA YADA!!! he will give us the cable though, we just were not sure how to take the pedestal apart to install it. we have since spoken to edson and have gotten instructions on how to do it. it doesnt seem too bad of a job. ???

COLDDUCKS
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