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raulpou
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Initially Posted - 03/02/2006 : 19:14:15

Alright, I have seen some sailboats that have a navy blue hull like a members catalina 25 and wanted to see if anyone has thought about doing that to their boat. I know that it would be expensive but aside from that what are the drawbacks or "things to think about"?

Really just curious if the expense would be the main drawback or if there are others I am not aware off.

Anyone looked into it?

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 03/02/2006 : 20:22:20

Nat Hereshoff was quoted as saying, the conversation was about
painting boats, what color, he said, "Theres only two colors to paint a boat,
black or white, and only an idiot paints a boat black."

A bit harsh maybe but I am sure he had his reasons.

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raulpou
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Response Posted - 03/02/2006 : 20:32:18

Boy, I have seen my fairshare of sailboats with painted hulls and they look awesome.

Good thing someone didn't listen to Henry Ford or we would all be driving black cars! ;)

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 03/02/2006 : 20:51:39

Darker boats take a lot of upkeep to keep them looking good. Extra waxing for one. Any scratch ding or nick will show up moreso as the gelcoat is a powder blue. Dings on repainted boats will show even more - and - the scratches occur more readily. Beyond that, they attract more sun, so they fade and since they are always in the same spot at the dock they fade uneavenly.

That might be what Nate and Frank are referring ot.

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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 03/02/2006 : 22:30:07

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">"There are only two colors to paint a boat, black or white, and only a fool would paint a boat black".
-- Nathanael G. Herreshoff<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I'm with Nat on the dark vs. light hull color, for all the same reasons Duane stated. I would say it depends a little on where you sail. I'm in Florida.

-- Leon Sisson

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 03/02/2006 : 22:33:06

some do look good if you have the staff to maintain it.

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 03/02/2006 : 23:41:24

I had some hull damage last year on the Starboard side of the Capri 25 so I can really give a fist hand experence to the job, what is needed and the cost of the project from start to finish. Photos are located in the Capri 25 forum under Volare Hull #17

#1 The cost was not bad, I used a single part polyurathane Enamle from Interlux. I also decided to spray the boat and not roll and tip. I did all the work by my self and can acont for 12 8 hr days of working on her. I bought two cand of the interlux primer, and two cans of the Epoxy paint, I would go ahead and use Perfection, but it was not out when I bought my supplies 2 yr ago. to start you need to ruff up and fill and gouges that may be in the hull. To do this I would follow the normal gelcoat repair guide from Don Casey, grind it open fill with resin and final it with gelcoat, or a filler. Then I sanded the whole boat with 220 grit sandpaper. I bought two different orbital sanders, I had an air grinder, and a electric 6" grinder. After the sanding is done, you have to mast everything off on the boat. I mean everything..... The first stages are the longest because you really dont see anything for your effort.

2. Priming the boat- again I sprayed it on using a hvlp gun set I got from Eastwood. It was a priming gun 2mm and a finish gum 1.3mm $139.00 you need a spray suit 10.00 glasses 5.00 and a breathing mask 40.00. I started at the front of the boat moving back to the stern on all of the strokes, I thinned per the instructions, and after the first coat I lightly sanded again with 220 and filled any more scraches. Second coat when on a little easier and the primer was flowing out of the gun rather well. We are on like day 7 now the boat is primered and again it has been totally sanded don, wiped off clean with thinner, and ready for the first coat of red paint. BTW It was my wife that wanted the red, If it was me the boat would be white. after I painted her she had seen a photo of a boat that was very close to the one above and asked how had it would be to change........ On to paint...

3. for masking off the boat I used the green laqure tape, It works so good that I still have some on the boat in spots where it will not come off very easy. If you use it, take it off as fast as possible. Over the tape I bought the roll of plastic visqueen with the tape on a dispencer, this was reall eas to take on and off the boat, you have to remember that I did this last spring over the weekends and maybee a weekday. It would rain, the tarp would blow off, ect. So every time you get to the boat to spray it, you would spend the first 2 hours repreping the boat and masking off stuff. I will say that the boat has no overspray on it any where, I wish I could say the same about my Ford Explorer. OK OK I know the paint

Painting was a blast, It was so fun taking a boat from a white primered state and applying voler to it. I have never painted anything before this using a gun. The beast I could do was with a roller. After the firat coat it looked cloudy, I was trying to spray as thin of coats as possible, after each coat the boat was lightly sanded, then wiped down with thinner the sprayed again. I have 6 to seven coats on the boat, 1/2 of a gallon of paint at 30.00 per quart.

More sanding--- the boat was the color sanded with 600 wet and dry paper after the paint had been setting up for about two weeks, This is when I painted the bottom and fived anything else I needed to do. After wet sanding the boat lightly, I compounded, then used a good wax to seal it up.

When eveything was tallied up for the repair, bottom paint, topside paint, materials, tools, ect I spent about 700.00. I would say 200.00 of that was for fiberglass repair to the hole in the side of the boat. What you relly have to say to yourself is if you want to spend this kind of time working on the boat. It's hot, even if its cold outside, you have to paint on the right days, that is 73 to 78 deg outside. In the morning works the best about 9:00 to start spraying this will grt you maybee two coats on that day. Stepping up and down that dam ladder a million time to spray, or tape, or somthing you forgot.... It was the most painfull thing I have ever done in my life. But looking at it sitting in the water gleaming at you, and reciving the best looking boat in a regatta award really makes it worth your time.

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 03/03/2006 : 00:30:12

A blue hulled boat is a beautiful thing.
I agree with Frank, its a wonderful thing if you have the staff to maintain it.
I've painted two boats and regretted it both times.

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 03/03/2006 : 01:40:01

Just to add to the post above, The boat had already been painted, If it was gelcoat I would have NEVER painted the boat.....If I get really serious about the racing the boat she will be comming into Tulsa, and getting a total stripdown and beadblast back to the gelcoat.

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Chip Hunt
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Response Posted - 03/03/2006 : 08:59:17

I've been told that boats with dark hulls get exponentially hotter in the summer months than those that are painted white. That is a big concern for me here in Charleston, SC. Apparently this is why you see many more dark hulled boats in New England than you do in more southerly locations. I thought about going dark blue a few years ago, but the above mentioned fact and the price to do the job made me decide against it.

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 03/03/2006 : 10:05:13

Now you might try looking into this

http://www.bertram31.com/proj/tips/re-gelcoating.htm

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 03/03/2006 : 13:21:57

Although I personally like the look of a dark navy hull, my friend at work had a painted hull and he used to say,..."Once you paint your boat, you're always painting your boat

".

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Gary B.
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Response Posted - 03/05/2006 : 02:45:16

"Once you paint your boat, you're always painting your boat ".

I think this is VERY true for the one part topsides paints like EZ Poxy, etc. I painted a previously painted O'Day Tempest 23'er once. She was a gorgeous green. I sold the boat looking like a million bucks...custom mahogany trim, etc. About 2-3 years later I saw the boat and just about puked she looked SO bad. The guy really scuffed her up coming into docks and such and that paint just could not take it.

However, I have seen a number of 2 part LP paint jobs look SUPER many years later. There is paint, and there is paint. In fact, I know an autobody guy who painted his Cal 25 with AUTO paint. That was at least 10 years ago and the boat still looks brand new. I have no idea what brand of paint he used, but he told me it was auto paint. It gleams!

Gary B.
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PZell
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Response Posted - 03/05/2006 : 08:41:47

Somewhere along the line I read, maybe in Good Old Boat, that good quality house paint can be successfully used on boats because it has been specially formulated to withstand outdoor use. I'd expect the same could be said for auto paint. Now that comment may have been intended for wooden boats, I'm not sure. But, the point is the product doesn't always have to say 'boat' on it.

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 03/05/2006 : 11:17:43

Sparky wrote... "same could be said for auto paint"

Indeed. I've seen a number of restoration/new boat articles where Imron and other high-end automotive paints were used with excellent results.

Not sure about using house paint tho... unless it was an oil based product.

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 03/05/2006 : 11:34:17

When we did our own bottom job on the C22, I ran out of paint before doing the rudder

So I used housepaint! 2years later that rudder still looked pristine, even though it had been constantly immersed and scrubbed frequently.
Derek

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Justin
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Response Posted - 03/06/2006 : 08:14:06

I have a navy blue hull and it was what caught my eye on this boat before I bought it. I didn't look into the upkeep and differences of a painted hull versus regular white gelcoat hulls. Now reading about it, it sounds like it will take some extra care. I've already noticed the extra heat obsorbed from the sun inside. Not a bad thing in the winter, but it will be hot in the summer. My paint appears to be in very good condition although it probably needs a good polish or wax. I haven't noticed any scrapes, scratches, or chips yet. Some of the sides have a whitish haze which I was told will just wash off, but I've used the boat brush and washed it with river water and once it dries, the haze comes right back. I need to get a better photo up close of the haze, but you can slightly see it in this photo on the port side near the cockpit.
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I finally got some sunny, blue sky photos. All my previous had been overcast and cloudy. I'll try to get a photo of the haze next time. Is it maybe oxidation? Does anyone know what needs to be done to remove the haze? When it is wet from washing it is shiny. I'm guessing it just needs to be polished or waxed. Would Poly-Glo be good in this situation?

Edit: I'd love my hull to look as shiny as that beautiful boat that Frank posted. I bet that takes some work.

Thanks,

Edited by - Justin on 03/06/2006 08:15:48

raulpou
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Response Posted - 03/06/2006 : 23:05:44

^^^^^Your boat is the reason I posted this thread. It looks awesome!!!

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 03/07/2006 : 14:40:59

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by raulpou
 ^^^^^Your boat is the reason I posted this thread. It looks awesome!!!
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I agree!

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raulpou
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Response Posted - 03/08/2006 : 08:26:43

Had some fun with photoshop and this is what my boat would look like in Navy Blue.

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danandlu
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Response Posted - 03/08/2006 : 09:52:17

Raulpou,

No pictures visible in your last post.

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raulpou
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Response Posted - 03/08/2006 : 17:23:50

Sorry about that. I had to learn how to post the pictures.

What do you think?

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Justin
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Response Posted - 03/08/2006 : 22:07:25

I like it!

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Chip Hunt
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Response Posted - 03/09/2006 : 21:16:27

You do have a fine looking boat there. I hope you enjoy it.

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clayC
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Response Posted - 03/09/2006 : 22:20:56

kamalla came from the factory with a blue hull. After I repaired sone damage I painted Her a bit darker. I think she is gorgeous. not a show boat but very nice!

Clay C

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dblitz
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Response Posted - 03/17/2006 : 18:48:48

That is a beautiful boat that Frank posted. Is that a boom on the furled jib?
I've never seen that.

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