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Is the C25 a black sheep?

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DaveC25
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Initially Posted - 03/07/2006 : 12:54:43

On the Catalina website as well as the book "American Sailboats", I could not find any reference to the Catalina 25, although the Catalina 22 as well as other Catalina Yachts were referenced.

What's the deal? The C25 was built for a fairly long time, no?

-DaveC25

1979 Catalina 25 "Pretty Penny" #1166
Palm Bay, Florida

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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 03/07/2006 : 12:58:01

Hi Dave,

This subject has come up before, and no one has ever figured out why such a popular and successful design appears to be the bastard stepchild ... but it is

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 03/07/2006 : 13:06:19

I have always thought that we were an also ran design. We were not the small coastal cruiser that the 27 was nor the trailerable boat that the 22 was. We are the compromise between the two, so we take no honors for either. The reality is that our little boats are a trmendous value and provide sailing on a scale that most would never be able to afford. Hense the high volume production, but it still does not an icon make. None of that explains our total lack of mention anywhere! I guess our little boats are as lucky to have us as we are to have them. Catalina 24... represent!

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southern cross
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Response Posted - 03/07/2006 : 13:25:19

Black Sheep?

I DON'T MIND BEING THAT AT ALL!
BAD IS BETTER

Zach

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 03/07/2006 : 14:10:21

My own personal opinion is that the boat has been so popular, held its value so well, and has a relatively high number of meticulously maintained used boats available on the market that drawing additional attention to the model seriously detracts from the market for new boats.

I mean, if you can buy the perfect pocket cruiser for around $10,000, why would you pay two or three times that much for new?

No offense to those that did...I understand the individual value factors, but for me personally they don't add up.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 03/07/2006 : 16:14:08

I think it was initially a simple oversight that never got corrected, and now it never will get corrected for the reasons J.B. stated. Personally, I think the C25 is one of the all-around best boats Catalina ever built. It way outperforms the C22, and has much nicer "manners." It's faster than the C27, and has roomier accomodations. Despite the fact that it's considerably heavier, it's faster than the Capri 26 and the C250, and it can point well enough to challenge racers like the J24 and Capri 25. Pound-for-pound it is every bit as good as the Sparkman and Stephens designed C38, which is universally recognized as a very good boat.

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Response Posted - 03/07/2006 : 17:51:51

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Antares
 My own personal opinion is that the boat has been so popular, held its value so well, and has a relatively high number of meticulously maintained used boats available on the market that drawing additional attention to the model seriously detracts from the market for new boats.

I mean, if you can buy the perfect pocket cruiser for around $10,000, why would you pay two or three times that much for new?

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Bingo, I think you've got it.

These old girls have a lot of life in them still, will be around for years to come and would be too costly to build today, so they're kept hidden away in the "closet" by that clever old Frank Butler.

What comparable, out of production, pocket cruiser/daysailor produced in such great numbers, comes in so many "flavors"; tall/standard rig, fin/swing and wing keels and has such a strong, active group of followers who invest so much time and energy (and boat units) on major upgrades?

And while they're not Swans or Hinkleys, they're built to scantlings that will hold them together for decades as well.

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