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acierno
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Initially Posted - 05/21/2002 : 07:46:21

Its on and its unbelievable. I know its been said before, but for all of you out their contemplating upgrading your rudders, I suggest you do so now--in a gust the boat heels but continues on course. general sailing is much more enjoyable. Catalina was great and charged about 160 bucks, delivered cross country to charleston in about ten days. the boat now balances (can take hand off of tiller) and the autopilot works a heck of alot better (far fewer corrections, and no overcompensation in the gusts). backing up also seems alot easier. A Point I have not read before that I would like to suggest: make sure you give yourself enough clearance when you mount the pins on the rudder for the rudder to get under the stern--I don't think you should use the exact placement from the other rudder. go 1/4--1/2 inch higher.

ron
'mia alessandra'
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Steve Raffel
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Response Posted - 05/22/2002 : 20:33:06

I assume by the pins you mean the pintels. My 3rd generation rudder came with them attached. I found that by turning the rudder all the way to the side I was able to mount it with no problem.

This is an upgrade that I too found to be well worth the minimal charge.

Steve Raffel
C 250 WK #408

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acierno
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Response Posted - 05/23/2002 : 08:29:09

yes, i guess that's what they're called. and no, mine were not attached. in fact, the first words out of the guy's mouth were "you will have to measure and attach them yourself, we won't pre-drill the holes." i guess that there is a slight variation as to the placement of the thing the pintels go into on the boat, and that variation could cause problems with even a minor offset. fortunately, i had read the earlier thread about turning the rudder all the way to the side, and without that info, it never would have gone on, but it would have been alot easier (i would not have had to climbon the rudder and jump) if i had 1/3 inch more room!

ron
'mia alessandra'
250wk, hull 463

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Bob Collins
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Response Posted - 05/23/2002 : 11:00:56

Just received my new 3rd. generation rudder but have not had an opportunity to put it on and try er out!

Just a note on pintel pins etc. When I orderd the rudder the gal asked if I wanted 'with or without' pintel pins ... I asked for with. I also told her that I had the wheel steering option, (hoping they would pre-drill the holes for the steering attachment). When I received the rudder, (3 weeks) I was very happy to find the pintels and the Edson steering hardware already mounted ... no extra charge! Whatdadeal!

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Bob
'Outstanding'
250wk, hull 421

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andy
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Response Posted - 05/23/2002 : 13:44:26

We made the upgrade late last season... Its like a different (much improved) boat. Our 250WB is now a delight to sail in most all wind conditions. I consider the rudder upgrade an absolute no brainer. My question to Catalina is why did it take 7 years to fix a relatively serious flaw?
Andy Anderson
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MHYC- McCall Idaho

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Bradstokes
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Response Posted - 05/26/2002 : 17:27:26

how do you know what generation rudder you have. I have hull#573 a 2001.

brad

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Tray
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Response Posted - 05/26/2002 : 18:32:00

Brad,

You must have it. My hull #554 came with it. It should protrude slightly under your stern. My understanding is that the old rudders didn't.

Tray
C-250WB #554
"Weeny Bean"

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mday
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Response Posted - 05/28/2002 : 18:53:49

Ron,

Mine must be ready to ship .... Catalina called for a credit card number <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>. Thanks for your advice in contacting them. I'm looking forward to installing after all the rave reviews.

I thought I'd try to modify the old one by Arlyn's instructions in case I have need of the "flip up" capability in the future. I don't have access to the impressive looking milling machine, though, so cruder methods will have to do.

Max Day
C250 WB 380
Lake Pleasant, AZ

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ssteakley
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Response Posted - 05/31/2002 : 00:15:06

Just Like you guys I love my 3rd generation rudder, Mine came with the Pintals installed and for wheel steering for $170, I turned it everyway possible and there waS NO WAY it was going to fit on the Grudgens. I had about 3/4" cut from the offset that fits under the stern and reglassed. I that was better than redrilling and refitting the pintals. I know understand why Catalina is asking if new orders want the pintals installed or loose, It is interesting to re-visit this thread and see the development of the problem solving.
Steve Steakley
Moon Chaser #385 WK

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Tupelo Honey
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Response Posted - 05/31/2002 : 09:58:56

i have a new way to do it. i inserted the pintiles into the grudgeons. then, with a friend holding up the rudder in place (turning it from side to side to make sure there was enough offset along the entire line of the rudder), i drilled the holes through the pintiles, one at a time. it fits perfectly. when i need to remove the rudder, however, i'll have to either remove the ladder or the clamshell near the outboard, since it won't turn flat against the transom, now. (almost, but not quite).

d

"...and that wake better be arrow-straight, or i'll lash ye to the mast!"

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MarkTM
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Response Posted - 05/31/2002 : 11:48:37

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Mine came with the Pintals installed and for wheel steering for $170
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Steve,

Did the $170 include shipping? And, did you have to say anything special to get this price. I remember being quoted $400+ a few months ago. When did you purchase yours?

Mark Melchior
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mday
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Response Posted - 05/31/2002 : 18:21:23

Mark,

Ron (above) suggested I call Catalina directly - which I did. I just called the main number listed on thier web site and asked for information on the new rudder for a C250. They refered me to Robert Butler, who gave me all the details. He asked me to email or fax in an order with details about my boat and a shipping address. I haven't seen the final bill with shipping yet, but as I recall, the price quoted on the phone was $165 with pintles.

Robert said there was a backlog building up and it might be a few weeks. OK by me, since it's getting pretty toasty here for sailing or working on the boat. How's things heating up in Texas?

Max Day
C250 WB 380
Lake Pleasant, AZ

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jkountz
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Response Posted - 05/31/2002 : 19:06:02

Is this 3rd generation rudder the standard rudder for all new boats?

My boat is currently on the production line with delivery expected in 3 weeks. Can't wait.

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bren737
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Response Posted - 05/31/2002 : 22:36:53

John,

Congrats on the order for the new boat. I went through the same decision process a few months ago. Lots of good people on the forum here (especially Mark Melchior) were a tremendous help; lots of good inputs.

I ordered a 250 WB with wheel steering for ease of launching and family considerations. Part of my reason in moving up to a bigger boat was so that the kids could take a more active part in the sailing of the boat. My old boat had a tiller and made me a little nervous with the kids at the helm or when I had to run forward for any reason. I've sailed several boats through the years with tiller and wheel, from Hobies to Beneteau 463s and find it enjoyable either way, depending on the size of the boat. The 250 seems to be about the limit on size that I would want to have a tiller on.

So far ( I took delivery in mid-April and have had her out on the lake about seven times) I am VERY pleased with my decision. The boat ease easy to launch ( I keep her dry-slipped on her trailer) and sails beautifully. I did have a bit of a problem with the SnapFurl roller furling. The rigger I hired left off the halyard retaining padeye at the top of the mast thinking it was optional. INSTALL IT!! It will save you some aggravation. It seems to work fine now.

Enjoy the new ride! Catalina builds a great boat and the tech support people and the people here at the association are a big help.

Bren Peterson
C250WB, #642
"Ruah"

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mday
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Response Posted - 06/03/2002 : 18:38:35

My new rudder was delivered by UPS this weekend. It came strapped in between two sheets of plywood ..... a package that could suffer some serious shipping abuse. It had the pintles and Edson wheel steering bracket already installed, and also came with the tiller (unfinished). So far, Catalina has only posted less than $145 against my credit card, but I didn't receive a reciept yet giving a breakdown of the charges.

I sure hope it fits properly ...... I'll post again with the installation report, but I won't be able to try it for a few weeks.

Max Day
C250 WB 380
Lake Pleasant, AZ

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