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britinusa
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Initially Posted - 03/22/2006 : 20:05:29

Franks low cost lazy jacks is now documented in the tech tips.

Thanks for the submission Frank.

Paul.

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Moved up to C34 Eximius

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 03/22/2006 : 20:13:22

I assume you mean Farmer, Gloss and I never do anything low cost.

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 03/22/2006 : 22:58:09

Yup!

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AADIVER
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Response Posted - 03/23/2006 : 01:03:20

My tech tip is NOT yet on the 250 Tech Tip site as of 2300 PST on the 22nd. No entry for my boat with the ten buck lazy jack mod.

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Russ.Johnson
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Response Posted - 03/23/2006 : 01:23:55

Frank,
It's not in the C250 section because it works for C25/C250/Capri25
Please check the main page.
Here's the link, scroll to the bottom of the page.
[url="http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/tech/tech.asp"]Technical Tips[/url]

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 03/23/2006 : 03:47:56

Lazy jacks on a Capri? I don't think so.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 03/23/2006 : 05:51:03

Kind of Funny when you think about it lazy jacks on a racer....but it brings up a good point, a lot of the members don't know jack about the capri or a racing boat.

Would you like to whip up a boat bio Rick?

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 03/23/2006 : 08:08:57

Duane,
Chris posted the owners manual as well as the sea trial article in the Capri forum. That pretty much covers the boat, not sure I could add anything.

http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10526

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AADIVER
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Response Posted - 03/23/2006 : 10:52:30

Russ, I haven't a clue how 25's and Capri's are rigged, so I take your word for it that my "cheap jacks" will work on them, too. Since rigging inexpensive jacks is so easy, why do commercial jacks cost so much, i.e., 2 to 3 hundred bucks? I guess labor is at least a third of the cost.
Thanks for posting my tech tip.

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Response Posted - 03/23/2006 : 11:32:00

I read the new tech tip and lathough it sounds pretty straightforward, I wonder if you might be able to include a few more (close-up) pictures showing all the attachments?

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Response Posted - 03/23/2006 : 11:48:00

Now guys, a lazy jack in my eyes is about the same as a furler unit on the boat, Its just there to make life easier. Our Capri 25 had harken Lazy Jacks on the boat when we got her, If you have never used them they work rather well. The sail after the halyard is let off falls right into the sheets that make up the lazy jack. Now on our boat, The New Main Sail was so dam krispy that it was almost impossible for the sail to flake into the jack, and we were having a hard time getting the headboard of the sail to raise up pas were the jacks connect to the mast. Needless to say we now have a half of a jack, the lines were taken out and the wire is still attached to the mast, I just taped them down to the mast, No big deal. I have not had the chance to take them off of the boat.

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 03/23/2006 : 13:57:08

Chris,
My main has to be rolled anyway, no flaking, so lazy jacks would be of no or little use.

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Response Posted - 03/23/2006 : 14:15:25

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by existentialsailor
 Chris,
My main has to be rolled anyway, no flaking, so lazy jacks would be of no or little use.
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As every serious racing main is. Do you use a sausage and throw it below or a boom cover with it hanging in it?

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 03/23/2006 : 15:24:41

Oh yea or main has to be rolled also, the first time out with the older main it fell right into the jacks. All of our sails are rolled and stored into sausage bags, It takes up more space in the cabin, but we deal with it. I was really wanting to add to hatches to each rear bulkhead near the base of the cushions, so the hatches could be opened and these sails could be pushed back into the large storage space under the cockpit setee storage areas.

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 03/23/2006 : 16:04:01

Frank,

Sausage rolls now, the original main wasn't stored that way, it stayed on the boom as the pic in my sig shows.
We wont be using the vberth for sleeping so that's where the sails will go.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 03/23/2006 : 16:34:08

On the big boat we roll it, hang it from the boom with ties and throw the cover on it

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Response Posted - 03/23/2006 : 16:48:51

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Duane Wolff
 On the big boat we roll it, hang it from the boom with ties and throw the cover on it
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Several of our wed nite racers do it that way, they might even leave the foot in the boom.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 03/23/2006 : 18:50:20

When we had an attached foot we did it that way, now only the clew is attached, that stays attached so its almost the same thing. It is a fairly large sail on that boat, it takes 3 - 4 guys to do it correctly, starting at the 2nd stripe inthe middle of the sail. We can roll it now in about 3 minutes, but the first few years - we looked like the proverbial 2 monkey's and a football...

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Response Posted - 03/26/2006 : 15:28:37

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by bbriner
 I read the new tech tip and lathough it sounds pretty straightforward, I wonder if you might be able to include a few more (close-up) pictures showing all the attachments?
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I'm with you bbriner, I can't make heads or tails out of the instructions. To many terms that don't seem to match up to the drawings. A nice sketch with all the components shown would really be helpfull for us new guys. What are the "nylon" things you used at the first drop to the boom? Is it attached to the steamer light or the spreaders. You seem to mention both. Does it release and come down to get out of the way or just loosen. Sorry if I didn't quite get it!

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 03/28/2006 : 07:15:45

I have been looking for an easy inexpensive way to rig lazy jacks for several years. Frank Farmer's seems to fill the the bill - at least in design. I particularly like the bridle idea on the mast. However, I don't believe the nylon hardware will last more than a year or two in the sun and would recommend spending a tad more on more durable stainless. While small blocks would be best, perhaps pad eyes and metal rings would increase the life of the system with only small increase in cost.

Like Frank Hopper, I never go "cheap" on GALLIVANT. The potential for getting into some nasty weather on Lake Superior necesitates quality and durability. I will use Frank's design and add blocks and ss pad eyes.

Thanks for the great idea Frank.

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AADIVER
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Response Posted - 03/29/2006 : 00:09:16

Don't confuse the two posted systems. Mine is the first pic and uses small brass snap hooks to attach the "cradle" lines to the main line to the spreaders. Plastic connectors is the other system. I hope is able to clarfy the difference in our two "el cheapo" rigs.

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AADIVER
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Response Posted - 03/29/2006 : 10:44:52

Here's a close-up of the brass snap hooks that attach the jack "cradles" to the main jack line:

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AADIVER
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Response Posted - 03/29/2006 : 14:31:17

A closer pic:

Edited by - AADIVER on 03/29/2006 14:34:28

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