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weluvlife
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Initially Posted - 04/24/2006 : 16:56:45

Hello,

Could any of you let me know who sells a good club jib package for the Catalina 25? A friend of mine, is very interested in this simple way of sailing, especially in heavy air.

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Mark Eichman
Lake Don Pedro,CA
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'86 c25 TR, SK

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 04/24/2006 : 19:05:35

Check Cruising Direct or any of the lofts on our website, or on the sponsor link of our natonal regatta page.

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Response Posted - 04/24/2006 : 21:17:35

Are you talking about a 'CLUB-FOOTED' jib? (i.e. a self-tacker)?

My C25 had one fitted in it's prior life up in the Sacramento River delta. (apparently this was a popular modification up there).

It used a curved car track mounted forward of the mast to manage the jib clew. Never did quite figure out how the rest of it went. I probably still have that piece laying around somewhere.

An inherent problem with a self-tacker on a C25 is getting the sail around the shrouds. (well, any bigger than an 80% jib anyway). It looks like part of the setup on my boat also involved relocating the forward shroud towards the stern... there's an extra chainplate bolt installed on my boat there.

I could probably dig out a few photos of what it looked like.

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Response Posted - 04/24/2006 : 21:47:02

Hello Duane and ClamBeach,

Thank you for your responses. I sent out some e-mails to various links I came across in the links section.

Yes, Clambeach, I am taling about the self tacking jib.

Yes, if you have some photos, I'd enjoy seeing them.

Thanks,

Mark

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Response Posted - 04/25/2006 : 00:11:30

There is some good "general" information at this site:
http://www.harken.com/rigtips/selftack.php
My 25 has this system, and it previously was a Lake Don Pedro boat. The PO kept it there prior to moving to Stockton!

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Response Posted - 04/25/2006 : 08:15:16

Hi All, I am going to blow the terminalogy....but, I have seen this system most on boats with two forward sails. The normal jib on a bowsprit and then this system on a sail going from just aft of the bow to 1/4 way down the mast. All the ones I have seen had small sails in that position. Cheers.

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Response Posted - 04/25/2006 : 08:54:02

Mark - If you can find an Alerion Express 28 in your neck of the woods it has a self-tacking jib and you could check out how it is set-up. The one problem with it is that you can only use a small headsail!
Derek

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Response Posted - 04/25/2006 : 11:42:34

The Alerion has a Hoyt boom, which swivels from a mount on the deck at the bow--a neat solution particularly because it "self vangs" the jib, even sheeted way out downwind. To rig that on a C-25, you'd have to make some modifications that would eliminate the anchor locker. DJN is talking about a cutter rig with a staysail--usually club-footed and self-tending. I'd guess that the C-25's forward lower shrouds would be the big issue--the sail needs to be small enough and the club boom short enough that it can't hang up on the other shrouds. It won't be fast, but it'll sure be simple!

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Response Posted - 04/25/2006 : 13:14:22

Ah well! I tried...
Derek

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weluvlife
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Response Posted - 05/11/2006 : 13:59:02

Thank you for your suggestions and ideas. I'll continue to look into this.

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Response Posted - 05/11/2006 : 15:55:53

Freedom sailboats also uses a self-tacking jib (with a Hoyt boom, I believe). The compensating factors are a larger main, raised on a carbon-fiber mast and they have no shrouds. Apparently what they lose in pointing ability they make up with the larger main to drive them off the wind. And the argument that they are safer because of less need to leave the cockpit. Which is a good thing since there is nothing to hold onto with no shrouds. Dave was pretty excited about them for a while, but since I'm the one who goes forward most of the time I put my Topsider down and said I want standing rigging.

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Response Posted - 05/12/2006 : 10:10:43

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by PamC
 ...there is nothing to hold onto with no shrouds.... but since I'm the one who goes forward most of the time I put my Topsider down and said I want standing rigging.
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Well, now we know who wears the deck shoes in the family...

I'd opt for decent side-decks over standing rigging any day. The shrouds will only get you so far forward, and with the C-25's side-decks, the shrouds are more in the way than helpful, IMHO.

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Response Posted - 05/13/2006 : 13:26:02

The concept is to avoid having to work with the jib sheets when tacking. As noted, the boat was used in the California Delta, with relatively narrow rivers and sloughs. There was a C34 that moved down from Stockton to SF Bay a few years ago with this rig. It was quite popular up in the Delta because it made single handed sailing, going upwind particularly, very easy. One sets the single jib sheet to the appropriate position when sailing upwind, and then tacking requires no additional work, since both the jib sheet and the mainsheet are set - turn the wheel or push the tiller and you tack. Most of the ones I've seen are just regular jibs, the trick is the deck hardware and lines. The track is placed just in front of the mast, and shouldn't affect the forward lowers. The jib MUST be a small one, say 85%, so that the clew never goes aft of the forward lowers, and lines up with the track on the deck.

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weluvlife
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Response Posted - 05/15/2006 : 23:22:11

Do any of you have the Hoyt self tacking boom system? The boom would have to be very short. The distance between the aft end of the anchor locker and the forward lowers may be less than the smallest Hoyt boom?

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Response Posted - 05/16/2006 : 09:59:50

I am going to my boat this week-end and will get some photos of my set-up to post. It's "kinda" like the Hoyt system.

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Response Posted - 05/16/2006 : 22:37:18

Fantasy II, I'd love to see what you've come up with.

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Response Posted - 05/21/2006 : 20:22:48

I'd really love to see it applied to a C25 as well. A friend of mine in the SF Bay has an Alerion that I've been fortunate to sail on and I was was very impressed with the ease of the rig; couldn't help but think it'd be wonderful to have on mine. Now that I'm moved from Folsom up to Tahoe for the year, smaller headails are more appropriate because of the stronger, steady winds so that aspect wouldn't be a problem.

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Response Posted - 05/22/2006 : 11:24:07

It was raining too hard to get photos of my Club Jib set-up this week-end!

We did manage to complete several other projects, though, and I will try to get the photos next visit to the boat

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Response Posted - 05/24/2006 : 21:36:16

Hey Mark - Is your offer of going up my maast still good?
John W.
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Response Posted - 05/26/2006 : 11:34:51

Hi Fantasy!

No problem with the photos, although I'm still anxiously awaiting them :)

I ordered a Forespar Hoyt 250 self tacking boom system for my friend. I'm excited to get this installed and a sail made for it!
I'll let the group know how it turns out and how the owner likes it.

Hi Cloudveil,

I sent you an e-mail.

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