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AADIVER
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Initially Posted - 06/04/2006 : 18:28:51

Can I replace my existing interior bulbs with these from Catalina Direct?

http://www.catalinadirect.com/images/D1862_S01.jpg

...or will I need some sort of adaptor? I especially want to reduce the drain from the two units over the table. 250's have a total of 5 interior lamps. Will the halogens fit all the units? Thanks.

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Response Posted - 06/04/2006 : 19:33:23

Frank,
I believe that only the two cabin lights over the table are bayonet, the others (above galley, fwd of bathroom, bathroom and stbd side aft berth are all 'torpedo' fittings.

I'm seriously looking at the Dot-it leds and other 12v lamps. The dot-its just stick into place and run of a mini battery(don't think they are 12v.) so no drain on the boat batteries.
A little red film over them to provide night lights.

Paul.

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Response Posted - 06/04/2006 : 20:14:26

I found this web site with LED replacement bulbs. Sounds promising.

http://www.superbrightleds.com/led_prods.htm

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Response Posted - 06/04/2006 : 21:02:22

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JohnMD
 I found this web site with LED replacement bulbs. Sounds promising.

http://www.superbrightleds.com/led_prods.htm
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I've replaced all my interior lights with LED's from this site. Used some red, some blue. and the mains are amber. They work great and 1/6th the power draw. They have bayonet bulbs to fit the one over the table. I believe they have 18 leds per bulb.

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AADIVER
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Response Posted - 06/05/2006 : 01:06:05

Here's the description from the website. How, specifically, should I order?

"1142 Bulb for RV and Marine Applications
These bulbs have have the LEDS connected to the two contacts and there is no electrical connection to the metal base
12 VDC Available with 12 or 19 Narrow or Wide Viewing angle with
White Red or Green LEDs
The specs are the same as our 12 and 19 White LED 1157 bulbs
Not recommended for cabin lighting applications - see PCB series lamps below for these applications"

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Response Posted - 06/05/2006 : 06:41:48

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by FARMHAND
 Here's the description from the website. How, specifically, should I order?

"1142 Bulb for RV and Marine Applications
These bulbs have have the LEDS connected to the two contacts and there is no electrical connection to the metal base
12 VDC Available with 12 or 19 Narrow or Wide Viewing angle with
White Red or Green LEDs
The specs are the same as our 12 and 19 White LED 1157 bulbs
Not recommended for cabin lighting applications - see PCB series lamps below for these applications" <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

You need to order the 1156 base for the lights above the table. It uses the pins that are not staggered on the base. They have a 19 led bulb and that is what I bought. I preffered the wide over the narrow, but the narrow acts more like a spot and may be better for reading. The festoon bulbs for the cabin lights work very well. There are 3 festoon lights in each cabin light. the third would be the color of your choice but comes with red. I replaced some with blue and some with red. Nice mood lighting. The 4410 festoon led with 9 leds are what I used. They are about half as bright as the existing lights, but are very adiquate. I like the amber over the white as it is not as harsh as the white (which has a blue-white tint) The white is the brightest. I also added this light on it's cord to use anywhere inside and out. Very bright.

http://www.bebi-electronics.com/beka.html

I have pictures of the work I did over the winter but have not had the time to put them in a website. Will do a little latter. Sailboat racing begins tonight!!

Edited by - Turk on 06/05/2006 06:43:49

AADIVER
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Response Posted - 06/05/2006 : 18:54:10

Turk, it looks like I have to replace the entire fixture and not just the bulbs. As you know, there are three, two-end contact bulbs in each of the 4 white plastic units, 2 white and one red. How do I replace these with LED's? if I only have to replace bulbs and not units? As to over the table, one bulb in each unit. What do I order for those? Thanks, and forgive me for being an electrical dummy.

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Response Posted - 06/07/2006 : 06:07:19

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by FARMHAND
 Turk, it looks like I have to replace the entire fixture and not just the bulbs. As you know, there are three, two-end contact bulbs in each of the 4 white plastic units, 2 white and one red. How do I replace these with LED's? if I only have to replace bulbs and not units? As to over the table, one bulb in each unit. What do I order for those? Thanks, and forgive me for being an electrical dummy.
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The "festone" bulbs offered by that website work just fine for the white round fixture. Buy each festone with 9 LEDS inside. That is, one festone has 9 LED's mounted inside the glass and pointed down. The center bulb in your round cabin lights is red. You can replace that one with any color you like if you want. The outside 2 are the white. Buy 3 festones per fixture. If you read my post above I give you the part numbers (1156 with 19 leds for above table, and 4410 with 9 leds for round fixtures). You need to follow the "more" links on the site to get to the actual areas to order these bulbs. The site is not constructed very well. If you can't deciede on using white or amber, order both for one light first and make your descision before reordering for all lights.

Oh, by the way, LED's have polarity. If the bulb doesn't work one way, flip it around in the fixture. The 9 LED festone is the largest festone that will fit in the fixture and even then you have to spread the contacts out just a little. No big deal.

Hope this helps.

By the way, ALL of my cabin lights on is less draw then ONE round cabin light on with the old bulbs!!!!

Edited by - Turk on 06/07/2006 06:11:32

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Response Posted - 06/07/2006 : 10:43:01

Turk, if possible would you do me a big favor: post pictures of the units installed with the LED "festoon" bulbs? That would help me order and install the right bulbs. Thanks.

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Response Posted - 06/08/2006 : 06:31:56

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by FARMHAND
 Turk, if possible would you do me a big favor: post pictures of the units installed with the LED "festoon" bulbs? That would help me order and install the right bulbs. Thanks.
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OK, I can do that once I get out to the boat later this week. In the mean time, if you can give me the colors you want, I can give you the actual part numbers for you to order. Colors are white, amber, red, green, blue, and yellow. As I said before, the white is what you traditionally see in an LED flashlight and is a bit too cool for me (bluish). The amber is a softer, easier on the eyes color for your main color. Remember these are about half as bright as the originals, but very acceptable as a trade off for lower power consumption.

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Response Posted - 06/08/2006 : 12:22:26

Thanks, Turk. Amber only. No need to replace the reds since I rarely use 'em. And white for the two spots over the table.
And, again, is the URL of the website to order www.superbrightleds.com/led_prods.htm?

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Response Posted - 06/10/2006 : 00:30:31

Turk, I've ordered two 1156's and eight 4410's. In a January post you stated:
"Also note: they have polarity to them. They only work hooked up one way. I don't believe reversing the polarity will damage them, but I wouldn't install them and then just turn the power on. I would touch the ends of the copper tangs with the light turned on to find out the correct polarity."

So what kind of shock tells me which end of the bulb goes up or down when I touch the tangs?

I suppose our boat's came equipped with the red festoons to protect night vision. But since I don't anticipate any night sailing/motoring, I'll remove the reds and replace with one of the incandescents for occassionally more light than the LED ambers.

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Response Posted - 06/10/2006 : 06:12:57

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by FARMHAND
 Turk, I've ordered two 1156's and eight 4410's. In a January post you stated:
"Also note: they have polarity to them. They only work hooked up one way. I don't believe reversing the polarity will damage them, but I wouldn't install them and then just turn the power on. I would touch the ends of the copper tangs with the light turned on to find out the correct polarity."

So what kind of shock tells me which end of the bulb goes up or down when I touch the tangs?

I suppose our boat's came equipped with the red festoons to protect night vision. But since I don't anticipate any night sailing/motoring, I'll remove the reds and replace with one of the incandescents for occassionally more light than the LED ambers.
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Putting the incandescent in the center is a good idea! Kinda like high and low beams

Back when when I was installing all of these I did not know if installing them with reverse polarity would hurt them or not. I have since learned it will not. The electricity will just not flow in that direction. Just turn the fixture on and "tap" the bulb on the two contacts to see it it lights. If it doesn't, reverse it and install. Use a pair of needle nose pliers to "spread" the contacts a little furthur apart to accept the larger LED festoon and to make sure it will not fall out. I have not had any problems since installing all of these. I love them!

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Response Posted - 06/10/2006 : 08:05:44

The LED festoons I installed are working great as well. I replaced all the festoons, even the red ones (we use the red whenever someone needs to get up at night). We got the white ones, tried the Amber's just not enough light for us. We've kinda gotten use to the cool blue white color now. We stayed on board 7 days and nights using these and the low amp fans. No problems with the battery's. They are worth the bucks.

I left the spot lights over the table alone, I don't use them very much but know they're there in case I need "high beams".

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Response Posted - 06/10/2006 : 17:40:56

Yeah, I think I'll leave one of the over-the-table incandescent bulbs in, too.
BTW, I ordered the bulbs online yesterday, paid with a cc, but no acknowledgement of the order. Hope I haven't been ripped off.

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Response Posted - 06/10/2006 : 20:58:11

The guy at Superbrightled.com is good to work with. I've made several orders with him. Even worked out returns with him.

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Response Posted - 06/11/2006 : 08:03:33

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by tompotter
 The guy at Superbrightled.com is good to work with. I've made several orders with him. Even worked out returns with him.
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I agree. Straight up company.

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Response Posted - 06/18/2006 : 17:34:27

I recently replaced all six of my interior OEM lamps with RV double bulb fixtures. They originally went from OFF, to ONE on, to BOTH on. I cut one wire that caused them to be BOTH on so that they now go from OFF, to ONE on to THE OTHER ONE on. I then replaced the bulbs with 30 bulb LEDS. One is red and the other is white. There is virtually no draw on the battery and we can sail at night with only red lights belowdeck and not ruin the night vision or turn on the whites when needed. The whites are a little harsh and hard to get used to but it is a tradeoff as we often do on sailboats. Here is the link to where I purchased the LEDs. They give great service and quick delivery.

http://autolumination.com/1156_1157.htm

If you choose the 1156 bulbs at the top of the page then scroll down you will see the Right Angle 30 bulb LEDs. They are $15.99 each and well worth the price.

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Response Posted - 06/22/2006 : 00:55:43

Happy to report I received the festoons promptly, installed 'em, and like 'em! The white starboard over the table is "too blue" so I've ordered a wide angle amber. The port I've left incandescent for reading. As Turk posted, "a straight up company".

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Response Posted - 06/24/2006 : 15:22:14

Amber 1156's arrived and installed over the table; warm light throughout the cabin. Might or might not put the incandescent back in the port unit. Thanks y'all for the LED tips.

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Response Posted - 06/25/2006 : 10:09:32

Has anyone looked into a suitable LED replacement for the "at anchor" light?

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Response Posted - 06/25/2006 : 19:10:13

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by 528
 Has anyone looked into a suitable LED replacement for the "at anchor" light?
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Here is a website that can get you started. I ordered their cockpit light - they are from Figi and have started their own little industry there. Read thru the website to see what they are doing with LED's and how they "regulate" the LED's for longer life. You will find ideas on how to build your own.

http://www.bebi-electronics.com/masina.html

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