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atgep
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Initially Posted - 06/30/2006 : 20:37:17

Here is a quick video of my relocated traveler. I really like it. Sorry the audio is so bad. I found it hard to talk and film at the same time and sound cool.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7994378128119928528

Tom.

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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 06/30/2006 : 21:55:37

Tom, your new setup certainly gives you enormous traveler adjustment. My one suggestion is that you may find, as I did, that you need to go to a 4:1 mainsheet rather than the stock 3:1. There's enough decrease in leverage in the relocation that sheeting the main down hard when close hauled is difficult at 3:1. My sheet was slipping some, but at 4:1 there's no problem whatsoever.

Thanks for the video!

Brooke

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 06/30/2006 : 22:52:44

I love the bail and bail roller, very cool. Thanks for sharing.

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atgep
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Response Posted - 07/01/2006 : 01:57:38

Yeah. 4-1 is on the agenda. Waiting to find the "sale" items.

Tom.

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AndyRozsa
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Response Posted - 07/02/2006 : 06:05:16

thanks for the video Tom I can certainly see the point of the extra traveller range, but i think the point that won me and especially my wife when we first looked at our C25 was the uncluttered cockpit and not having to climb over the traveller to get into the cabin as we did in our old sonata6. Any ideas on putting it on the cabin roof?

Andy

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atgep
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Response Posted - 07/02/2006 : 09:03:01

I debated the traveler situation for about 2 years. For me, the decision was easy. I NEEDED a bimini top after being roasted at the BEER cruise. The only way to get good coverage was to move the traveler. I also has a few "incidents" of people and the tiller getting entangled in the mainsheet. My stock traveler car was bad and it ruined the track. I sail with 3 kids and the traveler does not impede the companionway. It does raise first step by about 2.5 inches. The improvements in my book are the full cockpit bimini and increased sail control.

The cabintop has a few issues for mounting. It makes the poptop useless. If you don't have a poptop or use yours, no problem. The other issue is the hatch. To get cabin access the traveler needs to be forward even further. This would result in very high boom loads. The "ultimate" would be an arch that had a traveler on top. Hunter has these on some of their boats. With that design you could have a full bimini and a dodger....It all boils down to money and what you want.

Tom.

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 07/02/2006 : 11:21:36

>"It makes the poptop useless"
>"The other issue is the hatch. To get cabin access the traveler needs to be forward even further. "

Hardware mfg's offer 'bridged' traveler assemblies that can span a hatch or poptop. I think several of the systems offer quick disconnect or hinge features so they can easily be removed or positioned out of the way.

Here's a look at some of them...

(midway down the page)
http://www.harken.com/traveler/qatravelerone.php

(on right hand side)
http://www.mauriprosailing.com/sailboat-traveler.htm

They ain't cheap though.

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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 07/02/2006 : 12:21:31

Clam, those bridged travelers don't solve the problem on a C25 very well (IMHO). To preserve the poptop feature, the traveler would have to be mounted pretty far aft -- which would then force people passing through the companionway to duck/crawl under the traveler when under sail. Mounting the traveler far enough forward to make access reasonable would kill the poptop --and you certainly don't want to mount the traveler on the poptop because it would pull those two bolts loose pretty quickly.

Maybe there's a quick-release traveler out there somewhere, but I haven't seen one. I would want the traveler to be pretty secure -- coming unlatched at a critical moment could ruin your whole day. And if there IS a QR traveler, what in the world do you do with it and with the boom when it's released? Yes, I know, the pigtail will keep the boom from swinging, but I really like having the mainsheet to hold the boom steady at anchor/dock/mooring.

As I tried to say in my Tech Tip posting, life is a series of compromises. The hard reality is that no one boat (or car, or spouse, or anything else) can do everything well. We have to decide what's really important, and compromise over the secondary and tertiary things. It's pretty difficult to have a bimini, poptop, and unobtrusive traveler at the same time on a C25 without a design modification as radical as a Hunteresque arch. But if I really wanted an arch, I think I'd buy a Hunter (shudder).

On the other hand, the beauty of this forum -- and part of the joy of having a boat -- is creatively solving problems. A friend asked me what I found so enjoyable about sailing. My answer was that, beyond the beauty and grace of it all, I'm always solving a problem when I sail. I'm planning a tack, plotting a course, adjusting sail trim, looking for a puff, avoiding a lull, or fixing something broken, distressed, or inadequate. The C25 wasn't exactly designed for a bimini, so figuring out -- especially with a tall rig -- how to make one work is all part of the fun.

Brooke

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 07/02/2006 : 14:07:32

Nicely done, Tom! Thanks for the video!

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