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americanrascal
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Initially Posted - 07/09/2006 :  09:49:21  Show Profile
I am in the process of replacing my lower shrouds and have run up against conflicting data. It is a 2001 wk Standard rig. The manual spec sheet indicate a total length of 15' 0 1/2 " (drawing 250-34001-10)

To be sure I measured the actual length (the contact point of the T-Ball on the mast all the way down to the centre of the pin the attaches the turnbuckle to the chain plate) and can only get 14' 0-1/2" with the turnbuckles 2/3 out.

Any idea where the missing 1 foot is??? Does anyone have the exact spec for this?


I sure do want to get this right before I place an order.Thanks
Joe
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frog0911
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Response Posted - 07/09/2006 :  10:39:04  Show Profile
Joe, I have a 2004 hull #743 and my manual shows for standing rigging lower shrouds 5/32"S.S. wire 1x19, length 13' 5&3/4" quanity of 2. This is much closer to your measurment. The spec. sheet you are looking at maybe for a tall rig. Maybe Tom Potter can get the tall rig measurment from his manual a see how it compares.
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Tom Potter
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Response Posted - 07/09/2006 :  14:19:37  Show Profile
Joe,
Just checked the manual, my Tall Rig's lowers are 3/16 SS Wire 1x19 15'-4 3/4" long.

PS.
I have a new lower that is 5/32" S.S. wire 1x19 length 13'-5 3/4" if anyone is interested.
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RSHOOTER
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Response Posted - 07/09/2006 :  15:41:04  Show Profile
Tom, I would be interested. What price? Thanks. Roger
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JohnMD
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Response Posted - 07/09/2006 :  16:26:19  Show Profile
When I went to purchase a new backstay, Catalina Direct had me mail them the old wire and they made a new one from that. Catalina seems to change things from time to time and the manuals aren't necessarily correct. Catalina Direct told me that they knew of 4 different lengths for backstays. Also, if you mail it to them and the new one doesn't work, it's their fault.

I also found out their prices were cheaper than I could get one made locally for.
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americanrascal
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Response Posted - 07/09/2006 :  17:42:13  Show Profile
Wow, I would have thought these would have been exact from boat to boat. 13' 5 3/4" with or without turnbuckle (pin connecting turnbuckle to chain plate)?? I measured to pin center on turnbuckle at chain plate and come up wih 14" 0 1/2" on both sides.

While I'm real comfortable with my measurement, my differential as compared to what you have shared worries me a bit more. Must be my spec sheet is for a tall rig while i have a standard(thats wierd), but wonder why I seem to be off about 6.5 to 7 inches with what you all have experienced with replacements???

I have my mast up but can remove the lower shroud rather easily with mast up. How risky to remove and leave the mast up with the uppers in place while sending off a lower for supplier measurement? I dread lowering that mast in the slip.

Thanks to all for feedback!
Joe
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Tom Potter
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Response Posted - 07/09/2006 :  18:20:45  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by tompotter</i>
<br />Joe,
Just checked the manual, my Tall Rig's lowers are 3/16 SS Wire 1x19 15'-4 3/4" long.

PS.
I have a new lower that is 5/32" S.S. wire 1x19 length 13'-5 3/4" if anyone is interested.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Joe
For whats its worth, the 5/32 13'-5 3/4 shroud listed above, I stretched it out in the garage and measured it from end to end with a tape measure. (no turnbuckle)

I don't think it would be a problem to remove the lower with the mast is up. Since you have the CDI, you could run you jib halyard over and attached it to the baby stay attachment and secure the other end to the mast for added peace of mind, or use you baby stay while your lower is being made. (dont think I would be doing any sailing with out it)
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americanrascal
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Response Posted - 07/10/2006 :  04:37:39  Show Profile
Good advice Tom! And many thanks for the measurement! That give me much more comfort . With the turnbuckle the measurement comes out right. Now will figure out a strategy for moving forward.

(hope we get some significant rain soon!- Lanier and West Point are suffering)
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Ben - FL
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Response Posted - 07/10/2006 :  06:23:58  Show Profile  Visit Ben - FL's Homepage
If it were me and I was "replacing" the parts I would just remove the parts and take them to a shop that makes them and they can duplicate what you bring. I had to do this with my old C-22 swing keel hoist cable. It was frayed badly and in thirty minutes I walk out with a new one for a very resonable price. I think it was something like $23.
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americanrascal
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Response Posted - 07/10/2006 :  20:15:04  Show Profile
Great idea Ben but I live quite a ways off the beaten path and no marine suppliers that I am aware of within 2 hours drive. Would love to do it that way but in these parts its pretty much all boat part repair is by mail order.

Tom do they make these things up your way?
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Tom Potter
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Response Posted - 07/10/2006 :  20:32:07  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by tompotter</i>
<br />PS.
I have a new lower that is 5/32" S.S. wire 1x19 length 13'-5 3/4" if anyone is interested.
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The shroud is on its way to Ohio.
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