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AADIVER
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Initially Posted - 07/14/2006 : 23:19:06

I'm told that taping a tear in the jib is strictly temporary; the sail has to be removed and taken to a loft for patching. But the Owner's Manual has no instructions on how to either remove or re-attach the 110 furler. Can I do it myself without lowering the mast and, if so, how? Or must I hire a rigger to do it? Thanks.

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Response Posted - 07/15/2006 : 13:48:27

I downloaded the 4/6 CDI installation manual. It tells us to attach a messenger line to the "decored halyard tail" and pull the sail down. But if I tie a line to the halyard it won't slide up the luff groove. I've e-mailed CDI and asked for specific instructions and tell me what "decored" means. Should get a reply top o' the week.

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Response Posted - 07/15/2006 : 14:52:49

Frank, What will ruin your whole day is if you dont tie an extension line to the line that PULLS the sail up the groove, otherwise you will not be able to raise the sail back again because the line will be half way up the forestay. When you are lowering the sail you had best have this done, because the sail will come down the grroove quickly and the line used for raising will be halfway up the forestay. This is really simpler than I have tried to explain and once you do it you will see how easy it is. My first time I took a lot of digital camera pictures of the attachment aaround the furler. CDI uses language I dont understand, but page 11 and 12 in the CDI manual are the only ones you should be concerned with........

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Response Posted - 07/15/2006 : 15:41:03

"...an extension line to the line that PULLS the sail up the groove..."
CDI calls it a messenger line. But since the halyard is exactly the circumference of the groove, that line has to be smaller than the halyard. And what is the best way to attach the messenger to the halyard so it won't part halfway up the groove when dousing or raising? All the manual says is "attach a messenger line to the decored halyard tail", but it neglects to tell us how. Hope to hear from CDI on Monday.

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Response Posted - 07/15/2006 : 17:16:50

I use a sheets bend to tie a messenger line to the traveler that is attached to the CDI furler. The traveler has a short tail on it that is probably tied to the furling drum (Mine has a cleat on it). I use a sheet bend because the line on the traveler is 1/4" and I tie a 5/16" line as a messenger. It's easier on the hands. If you're not familiar with a sheet bend, get a knot book and learn how to tie it. It's invaluable as it can be used to join two lines of different diameter and will not seize under tension. It's basically a bowline, but tied with two different loose ends instead of the same line (the smaller diameter line will be the working end, or "the rabbit," and the larger line will be the standing end, or "hole and tree," if you will).

Hope this helps.

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Response Posted - 07/15/2006 : 17:40:39

"...to the traveler that is attached to the CDI furler"
Traveler? Don't you mean halyard? Since my CDI is a 2001 and yours is 1984, it can't be the same rig. As I pointed out, the line running up the groove, i.e. the halyard, is the same diameter as the groove. A sheet bend, or any know attached wouldn't slide up the groove. So the question remains: how to attach the messenger line to the halyard line so both will slide up the groove for dousing and down for raising. No one seems to know the answer to that rather vitally important question; hopefully CDI will when they respond to my query on Monday.

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Response Posted - 07/15/2006 : 20:48:29

You have to unfurl the sail completely. The traveler that I'm talking about is the halyard. It is on the opposite side of foil as the sail. The line that you tie onto the halyard WILL NOT enter the foil groove. The whole piece will travel up the foil.

britinusa has given you a VERY THOROUGH explanation in your other thread on this topic (sail tear and lat/lon guestion). If you follow his explanation TO THE LETTER, you should be fine.

Yes, my boat is an '84, but the furler was added in '02, so the hardware is the same. The great thing about the CDI furler is its simplicity. When you figure it out, you'll be slapping yourself on the forehead exclaiming, "DOH!"

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Response Posted - 07/16/2006 : 14:08:36

This is the instruction that's driving me craaaaaazy:
"The line that you tie onto the halyard WILL NOT enter the foil groove. The whole piece will travel up the foil."
How the h can the knot used to tie the messenger line to the halyard line fit into that groove???????!!!!!!! Travel up IN the foil groove or OUTSIDE the foil groove?

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Response Posted - 07/16/2006 : 14:40:55

Got it! I'll be taking her down in the morning. If I eff it up, just call me Bozo

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Response Posted - 07/16/2006 : 16:15:45

Frank, Looking at "Pretty Penny in her slip, before you start this pull the bow right up to the edge of the dock, much easier.

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Response Posted - 07/17/2006 : 15:22:45

Did do this AM. Basically single handed the jib down, took it to Ullman: 100 bucks for the patch repair, sail good for a couple more years. The protection of new 110 leeches is only good for about 5 years. All's well that ends well. Again: many thanks for all the help and advice.

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