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glivs
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Initially Posted - 08/07/2006 : 20:14:39

ok...maybe everyone else knows, but what is the best/safest way to attach the upper and lower shrouds?
- Should the pin be inserted from the rubrail side or from the cabin side?
- What is the best way to secure the open turnbucles? For example, using large rings, or cotter pins?

I've read conflicting suggestions regarding misuse of cotter pins, protecting the headsails and shins, fighting with misused cotter pins in the event of a demasting, and security. Frequently adjusting the turnbuckles is not a concern since the admiral and I are focused on cruising at this point.
Thanks

Gerry Livingston, Malletts Bay, VT
"Great Escape" 1989 C-25 SR/WK #5972

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/07/2006 : 20:44:28

Cotter goes between the bracket and the mast. I use swaging wire on my turnbuckles but would use cotter pins without reservation, you will cover the pins or wire with rigging tape anyway so the sharps do not matter. Rings do not belong on rig critical hardware.
Rings work best on beach boats where the rigs go up and down all the time and therefore are inspected constantly.

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 08/07/2006 : 20:56:48

They're sometimes hard to find, but I like to use bronze cotter pins to secure the open turnbuckles because they're very easy to bend back around the turnbuckle body to the don't reach out and slice somebody's ankle. They're also generally not as sharp. WM never heard of 'em... A wrap of rigging tape is a good finishing touch.

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glivs
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Response Posted - 08/08/2006 : 06:47:18

Thanks Frank, Dave...the success of this forum is that members like you address questions of all levels.

Dave, note I followed your lead for my signature. Now if only there was a means of making those thumbnails enlarge to full resolution when you click on them....

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 08/08/2006 : 06:56:26

Gerry, do you mean like this

Paul

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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 08/08/2006 : 07:53:30

Being the lazy so and so I am, I've used cotter rings on my turnbuckles for years. They've never come undone, and I've done some pretty heavy duty sailing. If I were circumnavigating, I might use something different. Like a different boat.

Brooke

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 08/08/2006 : 08:10:27

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by britinusa
 Gerry, do you mean like this

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Ooooh! An HTML mechanic among us! (Take note, officers.)

How'd you do that?

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 08/08/2006 : 11:56:28

He's already the webmaster what more do you want?

I've used stainless annealing wire on the turnbuckles because of the ease/speed of use - cut it adjust it and reapply new stuff. Rings for the clevis pins. There is no load on those things and rings do the trick just fine. Pins are a royal PITA in my opinion and I haven't seen anything that would indicate that do not do the job needed.

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DaveC25
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Response Posted - 08/08/2006 : 16:52:16

My Chainplates are such that the pin goes in either from the bow or Stern, not from the rubrail to cabin.

I use rings personally, because I trailer mine so it's disassembled often. Cotter pins would need replaceing almost every time. However, I wouldn't hesitate to use them if it was going to be a while before I removed it.

-DaveC25

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by glivs
 ok...maybe everyone else knows, but what is the best/safest way to attach the upper and lower shrouds?
- Should the pin be inserted from the rubrail side or from the cabin side?
- What is the best way to secure the open turnbucles? For example, using large rings, or cotter pins?

I've read conflicting suggestions regarding misuse of cotter pins, protecting the headsails and shins, fighting with misused cotter pins in the event of a demasting, and security. Frequently adjusting the turnbuckles is not a concern since the admiral and I are focused on cruising at this point.
Thanks
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 08/08/2006 : 18:29:28

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by DaveC25
 My Chainplates are such that the pin goes in either from the bow or Stern, not from the rubrail to cabin.

-DaveC25

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I think we all might be starting to get our clevis and cotter confused...

one was on Dukes of hazard and one was on the show with Barbarino (had to get that in before lucier did)

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 08/09/2006 : 07:43:07

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Duane Wolff
 I think we all might be starting to get our clevis and cotter confused...

one was on Dukes of hazard and one was on the show with Barbarino (had to get that in before lucier did)
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Funny Duane!

BTW...I use rings on the chainplate clevis pins and cotter pins on the mast connections.

Edited by - dlucier on 08/09/2006 07:48:49

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