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budd
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Initially Posted - 08/11/2006 : 00:56:06

Just completed 1000 mile road trip with 1980 Catalina 25 which I purchased last year in Washington state. I will be keeping the boat at a slip on Folsom lake, which is near Sacramento, Ca.
The trip went great; before I left I repacked the wheel bearings on the trailer and had a small problem with the lights, but it Trailed real nice, of course I do have a good Truck to tow with, a 3/4 ton dodge 4x with automatic trans.Would like to add a Banks Braking system on it for the next long tow.

Now some Help

Plan on hitting West marine for some much needed repairs so would like any suggestions on products to use,.
1. bottom Paint
2. Fairing compound [keel needs a chip job and re-faired
3. something to clean the top sides with.
Thats all for now, this is getting too long.
Thanks
Bud

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djn
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Response Posted - 08/11/2006 : 05:31:17

Hi Bud, do you have pics and details about your trip? Cheers.

1. VC17
2. two part putty in the little white bottle....don't know the name but sold at all WM
3. colonite fleetwax fiberglass cleaner

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 08/11/2006 : 07:14:31

Budd,
If you are going to trick out your boat then I would ask for the West Marine New Boat Owners Discount. 30Days to buy stuff on discount (at whatever the rate is)

Welcome to the forum, hope you are, or are planning on being, a member of the association. You'll get a ton of advice/help/laughs from the folks here. There are several posts from folks on Folsom lake if I recall correctly.

And as you may have already guessed, we're also (IMHO) really a bunch of voyeurs(obsessive observer of sordid or sensational subjects.) that love to help out fellow sailors. Hope you do post some pics of your trip, boat, trailer and your projects. It helps all of us to handle the periods between arriving back at the dock and our next departure, as well as expanding the ideas for making sure we don't run out of things to do on our boats.

Hope you get the work done quickly so that your new boat is doing it's job.. giving you the pleasure of moving you and your crew around under the power of wind.

Paul

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 08/11/2006 : 13:10:37

I bought my 81 SR/SK in Bellingham WA a couple years ago.
I did a complete bottom job this spring.
I used a small random orbit sander to clean the entire bottom of 20 years of accumulated paint. Took me about 8 hours of sanding.(and twenty hours of beer drinking and standing there talking to everyone who walked by). Started with 60 grit sandpaper, moved to 80 grit when the real rough bits were off, then used 120 then 200. Used lots of sandpaper, probably 75 sanding disks in all.
I used Interlux paint products because they have a great website (yachtpaint.com)and a toll free number to call if you can't figure it out. And because my marina stocks lots of their products.
After I sanded I mixed up some white marinetex to fix some minor rock chips and some minor blisters, and the area around the thru-hull that was looking ugly. I had some shallow but large area chips around the bow too. The marinetex did an amazing job. I slapped it on, let it dry for a day then sanded it smooth. (make sure you get white marine tex, as its sold in colors too and their containers aren't obvious what the color is)If you have major gel coat repairs you may want to consider west system as its sold in larger containers.
Next step was to apply a no-sand primer.
Next step was to apply two coats of Hard bottom paint.
Interlux suggested using a small foam roller. I of course used a big non foam roller...which I quickly abandoned and used the 4" smooth foam roller - results were excellent and probably faster than using the big roller.
I have a Swing Keel: and fixed up the keel with marine tex and applied some rustoleum primer then used bottom paint applied at the same time as the rest of the bottom.
Interlux suggests mixing the paint frequently....this is good advice as the pigments tend to seperate in only a few minutes.
My boat is mostly in fresh water lakes and only occasionaly in the ocean - so Interlux and my marina guy suggested hard paint because it will stand up to trailering better than ablative paints.
I impressed the heck out of myself with the quality of the job I was able to do. I read a lot of old threads here on the forum and asked lots of questions. I took my time.
Welcome to the group. Post pictures. Have fun.
What is a Banks Braking System?

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 08/11/2006 : 13:35:19

1. vc17 2 cans should do the job
2. Marine-tex or thickened Epoxy
3. Bar Keepers Friend / Softscrub

If you are sanding wear a good mask, and glasses. I used a paint suit. The VC17 is really easy to apply, and next year you wash the bottom and add another coat. The filler is really preference, I have used Thickened Epoxy and Microballons for fairing. Marinetex for filling in larger Gouges. As for cleaning the topsides use a mild soap w/ water, and for the deck I use Bar Keepers Friend for any stains, rust ect. and Softscrub for the rest of the deck once a year, Then its just soap and water.

Welcome to the Fourm

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/11/2006 : 13:53:47

1. vc17 2 cans should do the job
2. Marine-tex or thickened Epoxy
3. Bar Keepers Friend / Softscrub

Absolutely, don't let anyone talk you out of the VC 17, it is the easiest bottom paint to own regardless of the use of the boat.

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djn
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Response Posted - 08/11/2006 : 16:22:44

Hi Frank, I was using SoftScrub on my deck the other night and when I was hosing it off, it occured to me that it might not be bio degradeable. It don't say one way or the other on the bottle. Do you know? Cheers.

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 08/11/2006 : 20:11:29

Having had VC17 and the ablative type, VC17 wins hands down.

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budd
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Response Posted - 08/13/2006 : 22:31:47

Thanks for all the replies-- I have been a member for about a year now so well aware of this great forum.. I dont have the capability to post pictures but will try to keep updates coming.
Went to west marine yesterday, and my boat unit account is now depleted..
Two gallons bottom paint, pettit fairing compound,marine tex, 3M 5200, misc brushes, thinner, acetone, gel-coat repair kit, porta potty,then on to Catalina Direct, SS spreader up grade kit w/hardware and new poly bow eye block; so I should be busy for a day or two

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/14/2006 : 11:39:04

Bud,
You did not buy VC-17 did you? Take the other paint back! Whoever told you not to buy VC-17 was wrong. You just cannot imagine the headaches you will have from other types of paint and the penalty you will pay in speed. Speed matters for everyone; cruisers more than they imagine, you do want to beat the storm in don't you?

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 08/14/2006 : 11:46:27

Not if he bought it in Gallons...

Two Gallons of bottom paint will cover the boat about 7 times!!

The headaches won't be immediate, but wait about a year or two when its time to redo it!

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Alan Clark
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Response Posted - 08/14/2006 : 13:25:19

For #3.... I use a product that you can buy at a Grocery Store.. called "ZUD" it is not as abrasive as softscrub..but works great and is NOT expensive!

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 08/14/2006 : 13:36:36

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Duane Wolff
 Two Gallons of bottom paint will cover the boat about 7 times!!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I could get 8 coats from two gallons of VC!

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 08/14/2006 : 14:19:50

2 quarts of VC17 will coat the bottom of the Capri 25 Twice. I always see the VC 17 in Quarts not gallons, I guess they sell it anyway they can. One gallons of an ablative bottom paint should coat the bottom twice, thyats the thick, you can get it shaken up enough, thick as hell, stick on everything bottom paint.

Be sure (no matter what you use) to take the can by the local paint store, or a Lowes and have them shake it up for you, it will save at least an hour of mixing time.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 08/14/2006 : 21:30:25

You can shake up a can of vc in about 60 seconds.

I think I can get 1 coat out of a quart Don - but that first coat is a bit more than a quart. I guess by the 8th coat it will be layered up enough to spread a coat that thin.....

By the way If you bought the Pettit Vivid - that is supposed to be a pretty decent paint. They all work okay - some just require more work. Get the paint on the boat and go sailing.

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budd
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Response Posted - 08/14/2006 : 23:14:37

OK OK OK the bottom paint goes back, its ablative bottomkote, and they didnt have vc17 in stock but will call and make the 60 mile drive when they have it in stock, for now Iam still sanding and doing the Keel plus other projects, I just need to get the bottome done by the 21st so it will be ready to launch when my slip is free. Thanks for all the Advise.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/15/2006 : 12:59:25

and bottom kote is the worst! At least Micron works.
Order the VC-17m Extra from Defender.com
[url="http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|10918|296162|11000|311496|368288|586734&id=147297"]VC 17m Extra [/url]

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 08/15/2006 : 20:15:23

> "and bottom kote is the worst! At least Micron works."

I've found that BottomKote ACP works ok for 1 'season', even in a fairly high fouling saltwater bay. However, that means one season and no mas... then it's time to repaint. (which I guess is exactly what the can says).

Don't think VC-17 would keep the critters off here. (salt)

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 08/16/2006 : 09:46:00

VC would keep the kritters off....I think they make a vc17 blue water or offshore ...

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 08/16/2006 : 11:15:08

When I bought our boat I put on West Marine Bottom Pro hard Epoxy, I bought it because I knew the boat would be on a mooring for over a year, and I was going to do the racing finish when I got our slip and hoist put in. It was also on sale for 38.00 a gallon. Practical Sailor had good reviews on the hard paint, and a ablative was out of the question. Vivid was also a choice I wanted to investigate it has had good reviews for the last year, but is still a hard ablative paint.

I think next year the boat will be pulled out of the water and taken into town to find a bead blaster, I want to take the boat back to gel coat, I have not been really happy with the paint on the boat, and I don't think I could spray another 25 footer. The wife knows that the boat had an orange gel coat, and she didn't want the boat that color. What was up with orange in the 80's?

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 08/16/2006 : 13:07:37

So far, VC 17m is working fine on Swimmer and she is sitting on a mooring in the ocean (Casco Bay). Yes, I have to clean the bottom once the water got a little warm, but so do the folks who put on the $200 a gallon stuff. Some actually haul and pressure wash a couple of times a season, deeper pockets than mine. I know she needs a cleaning when my knot meter stops working. My mooring pennants on the other hand have a small shrimp farm growing on them and they were new the end of June!
Get the VC17m from Defender, you could have the paint by this weekend.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/16/2006 : 14:11:56

Over the winter I waited months for my local guy to get my red VC 17m in, I saw a painting window in the weather, ordered from Defender and it was here in a couple of days.

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 08/16/2006 : 14:15:18

No shippy to California :(

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/16/2006 : 15:47:54

Now that is funny! I wonder if catalinadirect AKA the foredeck has some, can they ship inside California?

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 08/17/2006 : 00:48:37

From what I understand, that because that the VC17 has copper in it, it has been baned from California. I am sure that someone outside of California could buy it and just ship it to someone without disclosing the properties of what is inside of the shipping box, But I don't think I would want to mess with the goverment or the USPS.

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