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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 09/16/2006 : 11:21:21

We have several San Juan 21s for sale here. The 05 Nationals were here a week or two after our 05 Nationals. Our own 05 Over All Champion took third place. However, personally, I would go for the more modern and comfortable Starwind 223.

2005 San Juan21 North American Championships
Ninnescah Sailing Association, Wichita, KS, June 24-26
All-Sails 1 2 3 4 5 6
Rob Anderson Moscow, ID 1 1 1 1 1 1 6
Tim Fitzgerald Wichita, KS 2 6 4 3 3 2 20
Gary Shapard Wichita, KS 4 2 5 2 4 4 21
Jay Sawyer Holdrege, NE 3 5 2 5 2 5 22
Allen Archer Wichita, KS 5 4 3 4 5 3 24

Here at Cheney, all daysailers capsize and virtually all turtle. If it is blowing hard enough to knock down a well sailed centerboarder then the windage of the hull becomes an issue and the boats often get all the way over before you can get them reoriented into the wind and such. Board boats on the other hand look like a ballet with people easing from the deck to the dagger and back again, sails barely touching the water.

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 09/18/2006 : 13:11:19

Brooke,

My dream boat 9is the Marshell 22. But, even used they are more than I think I want to put into my next boat.

Dare I ask for reactions to the Hunter 170? I guess I do, at least not a MacGreggor!

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 09/18/2006 : 14:53:10

[url="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2003-Hunter-Model-170-Sailboat_W0QQitemZ250030032081QQihZ015QQcategoryZ63729QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]170[/url]

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MattL
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Response Posted - 09/18/2006 : 17:32:55

I kind of like this one.
http://www.dhkurylko-yachtdesign.com/Myst_Images.htm
I have the study plans now and hope to sell my 63 corvette convertable to pay for the rest. If intersted let me know, it's fast.

Another I like is the sharpie as Rick said. Rick have you looked at Reuel Parker's book http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0071580131?v=glance The cover is a 19 footer that looks great.

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 09/18/2006 : 21:09:22

My uncle used to kid me about a Corvette he drove around in during the 40's.

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 09/18/2006 : 23:42:05

My first choice if I ever decide to downsize would probably be an '88 or '89 Catalina 22WK with one of the new generation light weight 4-stroke outboards of 4 to 6 hp. These wing keel 22's were similar in design concept to the '89 C-25WK Mk. IV, just much smaller. I had an '86 C-22SK for two years, and gave it up for my first C-25 (#1205) due to the cramped cabin and lack of headroom. The C-22 does have it's advantages: much easier mast raising than on a C-25 (especially a Tall Rig 25), low enough on the trailer that you can adjust turnbuckles while standing on the ground instead of a ladder, light enough to tow with a V-6 minivan or small SUV, light enough to launch with most davit hoists (launching the C-25 requires a travel lift and this cost three to times more than a hoist, for example at Cap Sante marine in Anacortes, WA). Most C-22 trailers are single-axle, which makes it easier and cheaper to do routine trailer maintenance. If the tow vehicle is a full-size truck or van, the C-22 trailer doesn't really even need to have brakes, and many do not, which saves the $300 cost of replacing the brake assemblies every few years. However, since I am 6'-3" in shoes, I probably won't ever go back to a C-22; been there, done that, and it was a nice boat but just too small for me. If it weren't so expensive to insure and store an extra boat, I might have kept my 22 just for weekend away cruises with my sailing club. The turnaround time to derig and rerig my tall rig C-25 makes it impractical to take on away cruises that are less than a full week, so I haven't trailered Quiet Time much, just once to the San Juans last year.

I am thinking about giving up my dry storage space at Folsom Lake next year and moving the boat to San Francisco Bay or the San Joaquin river delta. As long as I have the boat in dry storage, I have to drive my 13 mpg truck to launch the boat, and with diesel fuel still over $3.00 in California, each trip out to the lake with my truck costs almost $25 just for fuel. If the boat was in a slip, I could drive my 40mpg Toyota instead of the guzzler truck. And the Bay would offer a lot more places to take the boat.

Edited by - lcharlot on 09/18/2006 23:46:30

Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 09/19/2006 : 02:02:59

Don:

I know the feeling about unaffordable dream boats. I really deserve to be in the cute little Cherubini 48, but I have a hunch that's not going to happen. What's Joel Osteen got that you and I don't -- other than hair, money, a TV show, a 36,000 seat sanctuary, and insipid sermons?

Brooke

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 09/19/2006 : 14:39:47

Very nice Brooke, but is that downsizing?

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Alan Clark
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Response Posted - 09/19/2006 : 21:27:53

OK Don, here is another thought

, TWO BOAT OWNER

!, keep the 25 and partner up with another club member or friend on a small boat..Capri etc.. I am looking for the right "2nd boat" on a trailer small Cari 16 etc...for late fall no hassle sailing but will still keep "Leprechaun"

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 09/20/2006 : 08:27:44

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Alan Clark
 OK Don, here is another thought

, TWO BOAT OWNER

!, keep the 25 and partner up with another club member or friend...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Not a bad idea Alan!

One particular C25 at my marina is owned by a partnership of three people and an O'Day 25 slipped next to me is owned by two people. The C25 owners have a weekly slip fee of only $16.00 each which is very affordable. Not only does co-owning help with costs, it spreads out the work load come maintenance time or when more than one person is needed for things like stepping the mast.

Co-ownership might not be everyone's cup of tea, but if the choice were between co-owning or not sailing, I'd probably opt for a partnership.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 09/20/2006 : 11:14:17

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 Not a bad idea Alan!

One particular C25 at my marina is owned by a partnership of three people...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
From the partnerships I've known about, it's fraught with peril! Do it only with somebody with whom you don't care about remaining friends.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 09/20/2006 11:15:12

dlucier
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Response Posted - 09/20/2006 : 11:42:38

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 Not a bad idea Alan!

One particular C25 at my marina is owned by a partnership of three people...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
From the partnerships I've known about, it's fraught with peril! Do it only with somebody with whom you don't care about remaining friends.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Although I acknowledge that partnerships on things like boats can cause problems, I don't think it automatically means fracturing a friendship. I personally know of only three boats with multiple owners and all of them are still great friends.

Me and the co-owner of my boat, my wife, still get along fabulously!

Along the partnership lines, me and several of my closest friends own a Nascar schoolbus and we don't have any problems...other than stumbling and occasionally falling down!

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 09/20/2006 : 12:11:21

The classic "out clause" is a good idea. Anytime any partner desires, he may offer to buy out the other partner(s); he is then obligated to accept that price from them as an act of first refusal. So if you try to buy the other guy out you just may get bought out. It is a good clause in my book.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 09/20/2006 : 15:12:22

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 The classic "out clause" is a good idea. Anytime any partner desires, he may offer to buy out the other partner(s); he is then obligated to accept that price from them as an act of first refusal. So if you try to buy the other guy out you just may get bought out. It is a good clause in my book.
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That's pretty good--sorta like the technique for kids splitting a candy bar... One kid divides it, the other picks the first piece. Partnerships I've known were a little too much like Oscar and Felix.

Me--I'm thinking about a used Sunfish so I can handle it alone.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 09/20/2006 15:14:37

Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 09/20/2006 : 23:46:37

It's smaller than my house, Don. Does that count?

Brooke

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