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Champipple
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Response Posted - 11/06/2006 : 20:28:52

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by RedRedWhine
 Duane,

At 40' I am about 100 feet from shore. The tough thing is that if I drope anchor out futer the bottom drops off fast to 100+ feet. So you almost need two anchors.
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This is sounding more and more like a non-prime location. Were you the only ones there? It really sounds like an advanced textbook case.

Ideally you want one anchor off the bow, or two in rough conditions set bahamian style...That way you are alwasy nose to the wind - it makes a huge difference. If you are concerned about drag, pick up a cheap GPS and set the drift anchor...

Have any pics?

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Dan Greer
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Response Posted - 11/09/2006 : 00:12:22

We have the same situation at Lake Pleasant, just north of Phoenix.

There are few opportunities to anchor in less than 20 ft depth because of the slope of the underwater terrain, and, even then, you're lucky to have swinging room to put out more than 4:1 or 5:1 scope.

My solution is the biggest anchor you can carry, and more chain than most experts recommend. I have 25 feet on my rode, and wish I had more.

Also, consider the nature of the bottom in our man-made desert lakes. We're not dealing with ten thousand years of accumulated mud & silt for an anchor to dig into. Our bottoms are usually hard as concrete. When I pull up my anchor, it's usually clean as a whistle--no mud stuck to it.

When I get my anchor set, I always assume that it's caught on a big rock. If the rock is big enough, and the wind direction doesn't change, life is great.

If the rock is not big enough, an anchor-set that seemed really solid while you were backing down can fail instantly if the wind gets strong enough to tumble that rock over. If the wind direction changes, the anchor can get pulled out from under that rock, and away you go.

So this makes for a pretty nervous night, eh? Yes, it does. I sleep fitfully, and I'm on deck in a flash if I think the wind has increased to a speed (or direction) that I haven't already seen that night.

I'd guess that I've drug anchor 5 or 6 times in maybe a hundred nights spent at anchor, which surely doesn't qualify me as the worlds best anchor-setter. So take my comments with whatever measure of salt you think is appropriate.

Jim's comment about the C-25 sailing around the anchor is very true. Has anyone had experience with setting a riding sail?

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RedRedWhine
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Response Posted - 11/09/2006 : 07:47:30

Duane,

I am working on pictures. I have google earth and it shows the cove but I can not seem to be able to save the pic and post it. Does anyone know how? I like Google Earth because I can scan around the coves and pick out two or three ahead of time. For some reason the wind that night kept changing directions. My fear is that if I set one anchor and I have a clear radius to swing 360 degrees will it pull up the anchor at 180 degrees from where it was set. I am going to pull out my sailing books this weekend and do some reading.

Dan,

I have a 13 lb anchor and only 10' of chain. I was thinking about adding more chain at least another 10'. What size chain do you use, and what type of anchor and weight? What is the biggest anchor I can put in my Anchor locker. Have you ever sailed here at Lake Mead? The scarry part is the water level and the new reefs that pop up all the time. I am looking ito a good GPS as well. I have a hand held right now and it does not have an alarm. Thanks for all the help.

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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 11/09/2006 : 09:24:39

I am working on pictures. I have google earth and it shows the cove but I can not seem to be able to save the pic and post it. Does anyone know how? - Don

Hi Don,

I just loaded Google Earth and did an experiment ... it worked. All you have to do is, go to the tool bar on Google Earth and click on "File." In the drop-down menu, select "save image." Simply save the image with a file name you'll recognize, and save it to a folder where you'll be able to find it again.

After you've saved it, just upload the image to Shutterfly, and then post it as an image in the thread. If you need help with that process, just let me know.

'Hope that helps ... 'any questions? Good luck!

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RedRedWhine
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Response Posted - 11/09/2006 : 15:57:46

Buzz,

I will try that tonight when I get home and see how it does. Thanks for the tip.

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RedRedWhine
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Response Posted - 11/09/2006 : 19:21:48

OK thanks to "Buzz" I am able to post some pictures. The first one is a zoomed out picture showing Sandy Cove. There were a lots of other boats in the Sandy cove area and I did not want to be next to them that is why I chose this one.

This next picture shows the Anchor site zoomed in and the depth of the water.

Let me know what you think.

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djn
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Response Posted - 11/09/2006 : 19:29:54

That is an extremly steep dropoff Don. I can see why you might have problems with that anchorage. Cheers.

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Response Posted - 09/10/2007 : 21:26:41

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by RedRedWhine
 OK thanks to "Buzz" I am able to post some pictures. The first one is a zoomed out picture showing Sandy Cove. There were a lots of other boats in the Sandy cove area and I did not want to be next to them that is why I chose this one.

This next picture shows the Anchor site zoomed in and the depth of the water.

Let me know what you think.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

OK. I know I'm bringing up an old thread, but I might have some input on this. The past two years we went to Lake Powell and learned some interesting techniques for dealing with those unique situations. The key here is to take a tip from the houseboaters.

There is usually a nice, sandy shore available with a very steep slope. What you want to do, if you have a water ballast or other retractable keel, is bring your keel or centerboard up and power right up to the beach. (If you have a fixed keel this might still work but you'll need quite a steep shore.) Take two anchors and walk them up the shore so your rode angle is uphill with your lines tied off to the stern cleats, and set those anchors well in the sand. Maybe use a rock to help hold them down.

Any wind from the stern will just take you up the beach a bit, any wind from the bow will tend to set the anchors down in the sand (although with the steep slopes the chance of wind from the bow is mighty slim).

If you wish to go exploring, just slip down from under the pulpit into ankle deep water, and hike up the beach.

I never had a problem with such a mooring after spending 10 nights each, two years in a row, at Powell.

Keep in mind you don't want to try this if you're going to spend several nights in one place. These lake levels can change enough in a matter of days you might be left high and dry.

If there's any interest I can try to find some pictures to post. Just let me know.

Keith

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 09/11/2007 : 11:49:08

Keith,
What you're describing is a "Med-moor", typically used in the Mediterranean to park a bunch of boats stern-to a quay or wharf. I saw this in Turkey when I was there about six years ago. The 20m boat I was on anchored every night, and typically it was stern to, tied off to a big rock, tree trunk, or what-have-you, and then a bow anchor. We'd drop the bow anchor and back down towards the shoreline, then the "boat boy" would swim a line over and tie us off to shore. The captain would then draw us up between the two. The only problem we ever had was getting the giant Herreshoff anchor unstuck from some rocks.

It occasionally made for some interesting anchoring when there were a bunch of people, but I never actually got to see that in practice. We always anchored in fairly remote spots, there may have been one or two boats where we went each night. I did get to sit in cafes in Fethiye and watch folks try to moor & un-moor, it was frequently pretty entertaining.

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Response Posted - 09/11/2007 : 19:55:07

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by delliottg
 Keith,
What you're describing is a "Med-moor", typically used in the Mediterranean to park a bunch of boats stern-to a quay or wharf. I saw this in Turkey when I was there about six years ago. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Actually not so, as I understand it. First off, the boat is not "stern-to" but bow in to the beach. And there's not a line off the bow and the stern, but two lines off each corner of the stern.

I had never heard of such a thing until I started looking into what people do with those big houseboats at Powell, and I've done a lot of reading on anchoring and docking techniques. However, it is quite useful for steep, sandy beaches.

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