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ClairedeLune
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Initially Posted - 12/30/2006 : 11:53:27

Happy New Year!

I have a 1978, fixed fin keel C25. My father in law has been kind enough to offer me a slip in the lake of the ozarks. Couple of points to make:

This cove is relatively calm except for the occasional motor boater that does not tame his/her wake.

This slip has a metal roof that we will cut a 2 foot wide path to allow for the mast.

I believe that by attaching a lift in the slip to raise the sailboat out of the water, the sailboat will follow the movement of the dock that it is attached to and not the wave. I believe that I should still attach the mast to the roof in case of a lift failure.

Two questions: would I be okay without the lift and simply securing the mast to the roof structure?

I am having a hard time finding a lift for my C25 fixed keel, any suggestions?

Thank you!

David
Claire de Lune
C25 hull 404

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cat1951
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Response Posted - 12/30/2006 : 12:25:05

I think you also want to take into account a possible roof failure. You might want to do some searches on recent news regarding Lake of the Ozarks. They had numerous roof failures during the recent ice/snow storm and the collapsing roofing sunk several large power boats. Personally, I would not attach a mast to a structure other than the boat itself. You open yourself up to having something bind and the mast might take the worst of the hit. Just my 2 cents.

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 12/30/2006 : 13:16:31

David, I've had "This Side Up" on a 6,000lb hoist for the last 14 years. It has weathered 60 mph winds without any problem, and an occasional stink-potters large wake.
I would not tie the mast to anything, as even with large wakes there is very little hoist movement neither side-to-side nor fore & aft.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 12/30/2006 : 14:08:34

Regarding the 2-foot opening in the roof, what about the shrouds? Below the spreaders, they're 5-to-6' apart. And I also wouldn't attach the mast to anything... You have 1900 lbs. of ballast in the keel, which means she'll be stable (if she's being supported by the hull), but it also means if she tries to shift a little with something holding the upper mast, it could put enormous strain on the mast step and chainplates.

Happy New Year, and happy Ozarks sailing!

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Chris Z
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Response Posted - 12/30/2006 : 17:39:33

Derek,
Do you have more information on the lift you use and maybe some pictures. I have to dock my C-25 on the open lake and would like to have it on a lift like I do for our Hobie 16.

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 12/30/2006 : 22:37:26

Chris - I'm sorry I don't have any pics and I won't be at the lake for a couple of weeks.
The hoist is a very old "H" model hydrohoist and will handle 6,000lbs (which is the minimum that you need). I bought it second hand. So far it has more than paid for itself in bottom jobs that I didn't need to do. It also allows the hull to dry out almost completely (the waterline has dropped about 2") and definitely aids in racing.
HydroHoist's phone number is 918-341-6811 if you need to call them, but frankly the newer hoists from other manufacturers look much sturdier.

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ClairedeLune
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Response Posted - 12/31/2006 : 10:02:37

Thank you all for your help. Once I get this all set up, I will send some pics!

Have a great New Year!

Dave

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 12/31/2006 : 14:49:26

David,
I have our Capri 25 setup on an old hydrohoist H-Lift. It's the 6000lb model, and I picked it up used for almost nothing. Our hoist has 4 valves that control both the forward air, and rear air valves. This is one of the older setups as all of the 82-95 models are 2 valves.

We have had the front port side go down causing the port hull to come in contact with the dock, I had a bumper attached to the side of the boat so there was no damage to the boat, but the torque on the starboard band did crush the tank, and I had to repair it with some glass.

The mast angle when the port side was down was almost 30 to 35 deg. this would have ripped the roof of the dock off or demasted the boat. BUT..... The new lifts that HydroHoist sells lift on a swingarm and move the boat and the lift forward into the slip, we have a member at te club that just bought the 4000lb model for a Sanjuan 24, 3200lb hull weight, and I would guess he is right at the 4000lb limit. There is nothing metal under the surface of the water when the hoist is raised, the cost of a new hoist installed is in the 5500 range.

As for the hole in the roof setup, I myself would not suggest doing it, with the hi winds we get, and you all do to, I have personally seen our boats mast move allot with the wind and waves, I am sure that the dock was moving also. With our hoist, there are 4 points that attach the lift to the dock. There is an angled bracket that attaches to the dock w/ long lag bolts, then its clamped down with large threaded bolts (big C Clamp) then this attaches to the lift by a 60" long steel shaft 1/2" dia. The lift raises up and down on this shaft, They will bend, and they take most of the torque from the side to side motion. When setup correctly, you should be able to take about 200lbs on the bracket with out it hardley moving.

I have been working over a year with ours (it was a deal) I had to find 6 different leaks, and install it into our slip. NOW with all of that work, I found out that our lift was one of fibe that didn't need to be raised back up because of the load of the snow (12") We have 35 hoist at the club, and I now sleep at night NOT worring about the hoist, or our boat sinking.

Windycrest has a 4000lb lift for sale (500.00) but it will ne too light for the 25.

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