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sfrank
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Initially Posted - 04/24/2007 : 22:28:19

I just purchased a 1986 catalina 25. I an trying to make it sea worthy in every way. I have evaluated all of the Halyards and sheets and made the decision to replace all. Last week i found a site that had complete sets of haylards and sheets spicific to the catalina 25 with whipped ends and fittings. I can't locate that again. Can anyone help with info---Thanks

Steve

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 04/24/2007 : 22:34:10

Hi Steve! One good source is Catalina Direct (a third party vendor) at http://www.catalinadirect.com . I recommend getting their Owner's Handbook--about $10. It's essentially a catalog, but with many good ideas and information for maintaining and upgrading the C-25. They know our boats inside and out.

Welcome to the association!

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 04/24/2007 22:35:50

Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 04/25/2007 : 05:29:50

study Layline.com, be educated, don't accept someone else's priorities as your own. I would not want a made up set. Call Layline and visit with them.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 04/25/2007 : 08:10:57

Speaking of Layline, a month or so ago I was shopping for some line and saw Defender had Samson XLS Extra on sale. I went over to Layline to compare prices and found a peculiar icon for the Samson rope.

Weird, eh?

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 04/25/2007 : 09:03:27

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 ...don't accept someone else's priorities as your own. I would not want a made up set.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Different strokes... (Either way, get to know CD as well--they're a good source for lotsa stuff.)

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Sloop Smitten
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Response Posted - 04/25/2007 : 09:18:37

Might have been Cajun Trading.

http://www.cajuntrading.ca/catalina.htm#25

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dblitz
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Response Posted - 04/25/2007 : 22:03:33

I would be careful about what thickness jib sheets you get. I replaced the jib sheet for my furled 150 the same as was on the boat previously but it is too thick and sometimes, in low wind situations they pull the jib in too much.

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DaveR
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Response Posted - 04/25/2007 : 22:16:32

Great link Sloop, Joe. Didn't know about that one!

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 04/26/2007 : 08:46:51

Note that if your lines are led aft to the cockpit (or will be), the main and jib halyards need to be 65' long. [standard rig]

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 04/26/2007 : 09:16:58

I prefer 70'

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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 04/26/2007 : 14:05:46

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 I prefer 70'
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Yup. I'd much rather handle a few extra feet than be a foot short when I need to reterminate a line. Those few feet make it practical to end-for-end your halyards about 1/3 to 1/2 way through their useful life, thus moving the high wear points, and extending the life of the lines considerably.

-- Leon S.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 05/04/2007 : 23:49:13

What thickness line do you guys use for the 150 genoa sheets (cruising and casual club racing) and how long should it be ideally?
David

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/05/2007 : 06:18:47

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dmpilc
 What thickness line do you guys use for the 150 genoa sheets (cruising and casual club racing) and how long should it be ideally?
David
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I use a 3/8" line for my genoa sheet. As to length, ideally it should be long enough so the lazy sheet is still in the cockpit when the working sheet has been sheeted in all the way.

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Renzo
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Response Posted - 05/05/2007 : 07:25:29

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> I would be careful about what thickness jib sheets you get. I replaced the jib sheet for my furled 150 the same as was on the boat previously but it is too thick and sometimes, in low wind situations they pull the jib in too much.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

If you are racing you might want to consider buying a set of light air sheets and a Burton(a reefing hook with a short length of line) so that you can change the active sheet back to your heavy sheets while sailing, without changing the trim on the sail, if the wind pipes up.

Edited by - Renzo on 05/05/2007 07:26:20

Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 05/05/2007 : 11:05:45

I have 5/16" lines on the 155% genoa and the 11% jib, but 1/4" lines for the light air 150%.
If you are using heavier sheets in very light air, it often helps to have a crew member hold up the clew of the genoa, which takes the sheet weight off the sail and enables it to shape in the light air.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 05/05/2007 : 12:07:40

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Renzo
 ...If you are racing you might want to consider buying a set of light air sheets and a Burton(a reefing hook with a short length of line) so that you can change the active sheet back to your heavy sheets while sailing, without changing the trim on the sail, if the wind pipes up.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Not being a racer and therefore putting more weight on safety than speed, I shy away from metal hardware on the jib clew. When the jib is flogging, a metal object can do damage to anything within its reach, including foredeck crew. Just my preference...

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Renzo
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Response Posted - 05/06/2007 : 08:10:07

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">have a crew member hold up the clew of the genoa, which takes the sheet weight off the sail and enables it to shape in the light air.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I believe most racing rules make it illegal to do this

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">When the jib is flogging, a metal object can do damage to anything within its reach, including foredeck crew. Just my preference...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
The burton is only installed temporaraly while the change of sheets is being made and keeps the sail secured so there is no flogging. In essence it is a safer way of doing things. But if you are not racing you can just change the lazy sheet and then tackand change the other sheet.

Edited by - Renzo on 05/06/2007 08:10:58

Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 05/06/2007 : 09:36:18

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Renzo
 ...The burton is only installed temporaraly while the change of sheets is being made...
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Sounds good--I hadn't seen that used. I have, however, seen people use something like a caribiner or snap-shackle on the sheet, which scares me a little... (Everyone's seen how a jib can start whipping in a strong breeze.)

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 05/06/2007 : 11:14:00

Renzo - the racing rules DO allow this. The human arm is not an "outrigger". You are not, however, allowed to hold out a whisker pole attached to the clew - the inboard end must be attached to the mast.

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Renzo
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Response Posted - 05/06/2007 : 18:37:35

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> the racing rules DO allow this. The human arm is not an "outrigger". You are not, however, allowed to hold out a whisker pole attached to the clew - the inboard end must be attached to the mast.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Derek - I may be wrong (I frequently am) but I was specifically refering to the C-25 anti hiking rule:
J. ANTI-HIKING
General - While participating in Catalina 25 Class races no person while on board and while racing may position themselves in any manner which will extend their torso outside and beyond the vertical extension of the sheer other than temporarily.

On a beam or downwind reach I am assuming that a person, with less than the reach of an Ape,would have to lean his torso out past the lifelines to have any benificial effect in overcomming the weight of the sheets in light air. But as I said before I am frequently wrong and I guess I would leave the decision to the protest committee.

Edited by - Renzo on 05/06/2007 18:51:26

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