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clayC
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Initially Posted - 05/03/2007 : 16:43:40

We have been sailing Kamala now for two seasons. The P.O. had this thing decked out for racing, two head stays, 6 winches, and some stuff I have no idea what it could be used for. This year we decided to try and fly the symmetrical spinnaker. Last year I ran the jib halyard to the port side winch and tied it off and the main halyard to the starboard winch to a cam cleat. That worked well except that tied up both winches. My question is what lines need to be winched to fly the spinnaker?

Clay C

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John Mason
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Response Posted - 05/03/2007 : 17:32:37

I just use the cockpit winches for the sheet and guy. Furl the jib, stow the jib sheets that usually occupy the cockpit winches and bring the spinnaker lines up to 'em.

But then I don't have six winches. Only four - two on the cabin top and two at the cockpit coamings.

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clayC
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Response Posted - 05/03/2007 : 17:46:12

I guess the lines in question are the spinnaker pole up-haul, The fore-guy and the spinnaker halyard.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/03/2007 : 19:32:37

Go read my write up in the tech tips -

http://catalina-capri-25s.org/tech/tech25/flywasp.asp

This should give you an idea of everything you'll need to run the topping lift and foreguy - along with the rest of the lines.

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Response Posted - 05/04/2007 : 07:48:48

A spinnaker halyard will not need a winch if it goes as planned, if it goes wrong you will need a winch available. A spinnaker halyard coming uncleated is an even that can have dire results, choose your cleat carefully. I cannot imagine not having clutches on the main and headsail halyards but a spinnaker halyard needs to run free when its time has come so I am not sure how a would rig one these days. Please post photos of your deck layout.

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clayC
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Response Posted - 05/04/2007 : 09:03:10

Duane,
I have not only read your piece in tech-tips but have it printed, punched and in my opps manual. I am off to take photos and will post them this afternoon.

thanks for the intrest
Clay C

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/04/2007 : 09:20:12

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 A spinnaker halyard will not need a winch if it goes as planned, <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Absolutely correct Frank - in fact most boats that I've raced on do not have a winch option. You shouldn't start your downwind turn until it is fully hoisted, at least in the beginner phase.

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 05/04/2007 : 11:21:38

My owners manual shows the spinnaker option with two sheet winches behind the primaries, max total of six. When I bought my boat, the dealer suggested buying two new self tailing primaries (jib sheet winches), and move the non-ST's back for the spinnaker sheets. Rather than buy two new winches, and being naturally frugal, I decided to substitute the spinnaker sheet winches with two large angled cheek blocks and run the sheets forward to the primary winches. This setup has worked well for casual club racing and for cruising.

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John Mason
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Response Posted - 05/04/2007 : 13:24:38

Halyards should be set up so the cleat or clutch is in front of the winch, so the winch isn't tied up all the time with the halyard wrapped 'round it. Same with the pole topping lift and downhaul.

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clayC
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Response Posted - 05/04/2007 : 14:21:02

Ok so here is what I have to work with. Starting with the mast head, two forward halyards run through the mast and the main aft also through the mast. It had a swivel block forward but I took it off. About two feet from the top is a sheave facing forward. Just under the spreaders is another sheave forward. I took the swivel block off because I already had two halyards up there and I didn’t know what to do with the cleat end of the spinnaker halyard, so I opted to use the extra one I had. The photos are of my deck arrangement. It has a block in the center of the deck just fore of the hatch. I have taken it off but it goes back on before I fly the spinnaker. I really wouldn’t mess with this thing but it came with the boat so I might as well learn a little something this summer. This is what my deck looks like http://share.shutterfly.com/action/welcome?sid=8BcMm7Jqzbvxg

Thanks for any advice
Clay C

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John Mason
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Response Posted - 05/04/2007 : 16:51:44

I don't want to be overly critical, but hadn't the previous owner heard of rope clutches or deck organisers? Why the twin headstays? I see no purpose in that set up (one word: [url="http://www.tuffluff.com/"]tuffluff[/url]).

One of the sheaves on the mast (probably the one just under the spreaders) would be for the pole topping lift. The sheave just forward of the deck hatch would be for the pole downhaul.

And personally, I'd pull the cabin top winches and put them back where the cleats are. Get rid of the horn cleats (terrible) and put rope clutches roughly where the cabin top winches are presently located.

But that's just me.

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clayC
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Response Posted - 05/04/2007 : 17:41:05

MY..... Or I could just sink this tub, move to the cost and order that Hinckley Ive had my eye on. I guess what I would like is any suggestions on how to run my lines with what I have.

Thanks,
ClayC

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John Mason
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Response Posted - 05/04/2007 : 18:10:30

Well, pole topping lift would go up through the sheave at the spreader, down to a block at the base of the mast starboard, over to the outer turning block and back along the windows to the top cam cleat on the side of the cabin. The pole downhaul would go through the block mounted on the deck in front of the forward hatch (maybe through a block clipped to the forward starboard chainplate) and back to the bottom cam cleat on the starboard cabin side . So they can be worked together.

The spinaker halyard would need to go to a block on the forward pin of the masthead, down to a block at the base of the mast and ?, don't know if you have a free turning block for it to go through, and then to one of the cam cleats on the cabin top.

Don't know what else you're looking at. The spinaker sheet and guy go straight back to blocks at the aft end of the gunwale t-track and forward around the aft set of cockpit coaming winches and cleated off on whatever cleats are handy to those winches.

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