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svmoxie
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Initially Posted - 05/05/2007 :  14:27:05  Show Profile  Visit svmoxie's Homepage
... but very little sailing. I got out last October for the Great Chesapeake Bay Schooner Race but aside from that I haven't even been on the water. That bites!

I sold Moxie last month after very little serious effort to do so. It sold by word of mouth to a friend of a friend. I got my asking price and he got a great boat so I guess we're both pleased!

In the meantime the progress continues on Sangraal. For those who don't know, and might care, I'm building a Wharram Tiki 46 catamaran. You can see the progress at www.Tiki46.com although be warned, I am way behind on updating my progress...

Currently I have both lower hulls completed and I am putting in the upper bulkheads to define and fit out the interior.

All in all.... Life is good.

Cheers, Clif
Winston-Salem, NC
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Response Posted - 05/05/2007 :  16:23:32  Show Profile
Clif... I read most of your story, and all I can say is, "Wow!" What an undertaking! I, too, like the lines of that cat. Can you "scandalize" that rig to reduce sail? Keep us up to date!
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svmoxie
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Response Posted - 05/07/2007 :  10:32:47  Show Profile  Visit svmoxie's Homepage
Hey Dave,

Yep, if you slack the peak halyard it depowers the sail... releasing it takes all of the drive out. I'm looking at the modified junk rig as an option but that would require either moving the spars out to the hulls for a bi-rig or a major redesign of the mast cases.... not sure it's worth the effort though...

It's been a lot of fun, and here is the payoff for all that work....
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/07/2007 :  11:39:30  Show Profile
Clif,

Very impressive undertaking...Hats off to you!

Question, How do you move something that wide from you backyard down to the coast?
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/07/2007 :  19:58:38  Show Profile
Today, I came home and found my new Sail magazine laying on the kitchen counter. As I skimmed through the pages, I came across an article about James Wharrum and how he came to design catamarans. Very interesting and quite coincidental...
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svmoxie
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Response Posted - 05/07/2007 :  20:53:47  Show Profile  Visit svmoxie's Homepage
Nice pic of Gaia there Don.

Once both hulls are completed to the deck level, and thus waterproof, I will dismantle the boat shed (greenhouse) from around the hulls in order to move the hulls apart to the final width: 24 feet. Then I can place the beams between the hulls and finish fitting the deck components. Once the deck is fitted, everything comes back apart and gets loaded on trailers. It will take three tractor trailers to haul it all to the coast, each hull on a trailer and all of the deck components on a third. The final fitting and lashings are done at the coast where the crane can pick it up and launch it.

Here is a shot of a Tiki 38 being set up on the beach in a similar fashion:

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/09/2007 :  14:29:58  Show Profile  Visit Champipple's Homepage
Okay so assuming one has tools, a location and some time, what are we looking at as far as expense (if you don't mind me asking - I'm sure everyone is wondering)

I'd love to have the time to do something like that
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/09/2007 :  14:31:38  Show Profile  Visit Champipple's Homepage
also - where do you get the naked people to go sailing???? or do people automatically strip down on a boat of that size?
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Oscar
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Response Posted - 05/09/2007 :  20:09:06  Show Profile  Visit Oscar's Homepage
Interesting vessel...and nothing beats building it yourself.....no one to blame.
The only thing I'm wondering about is all the different compartments..I know they are there for structural reasons....but to go up on deck to get from one to the other....guess in mild climates that's ok, but to go to the head in a foamy seaway and open the hatch on a deck awash in green.....
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svmoxie
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Response Posted - 05/12/2007 :  06:58:41  Show Profile  Visit svmoxie's Homepage
Hey Oscar,

Valid points and certainly it was a trade off to consider when I started looking at an open deck cat. At anchor there will be canvas the covers from the cockpit bimini over to the hatch into the galley and the master stateroom. At sea, you'd be amazed at how little water gets past the first deck section, it really is no big deal to access the galley... however in the really nasties, when you're streaming the drouge astern, you are living in the pod not below in the hulls. There is a double bunk there, all of the nav station is there and there is a free fall head built into the aft cockpit bench.

One big advantage of the separate compartments, aside from being watertight, is that is makes the boat feel much larger than it is. I've spent lots of time on a sister ship and even with 8 - 10 people aboard it was easy to lose track of where everyone was. It never felt crowded. It's not for everyone though... while it is a comfortable boat I wouldn't call it luxurious by any means.

Costwise - you can have one built for 160K to 200K depnding on where, what and how. I'll have roughly 75K in mine all up, sails, gear, ground tackle. I'm mostly working alone so my progress isn't what you'd call fast, but I am having a great time doing it and when it's done, it will be done right and I won't have a boat payment!

Oh, and the naked women... they are already lining up for the voyage!

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