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gbeardjr
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Initially Posted - 05/13/2007 : 20:33:03

Well I am ready to mount the repaired rudder back on the boat. But now I am confused as to what pintle goes on top and which on bottom. I didn't notice when I took them off the rudder but one has a longer pin than the other. Can someone please look and tell me which goes on top and which on bottom.

There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those that understand binary and those that don't

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/13/2007 : 21:05:44

Take it from someone who just cracked one in half. The upper is smaller the lower is shorter.

If you made that repair I suggest two things - First Make sure you pin or ring the pintle with the hole

Second - Find a way to rig an emergency rudder - Macinaw race style - with the spin pole and the hatch boards or something similar.

Getting in under power only without a rudder is problematic at best. Getting in under outboard power without a rudder in conditions that just broke your rudder in two is not something you will ever want to do twice.

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 05/14/2007 : 09:09:57

Pintles are often different lengths so you can get one started in the gudgeon hole before the other... to make alignment a bit easier as you don't have to get both started simultaneously. If you usally step your rudder from the ground it makes some sense to have the top one longer. If you step your rudder in the water, it makes more sense to have the lower pin longer.

I think on my C25 one pintle has a hole for a retaining pin (top) and the one bottom one doesn't. Can't remember if they are different lengths or not. I'll take a look at lunchtime and see what I've got.

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tinob
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Response Posted - 05/14/2007 : 11:55:14

GB,

The longer one goes on the bottom so that you can lower it down there holding the rudder from drifting away as you try to align the top one.

Val on Calista #3936, PATCHOGUE, N.Y.

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Response Posted - 05/14/2007 : 13:22:38

I agree with Val and disagree with Duane (surprisingly)--both pintles should be the same diameter (if that's what Duane means by "smaller") and it makes the most sense for the lower to be longer. I agree with Duane about the importance of the pin in the short pintle, which will keep both from lifting out.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 05/14/2007 13:23:12

Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/14/2007 : 14:48:14

Not diameter - Length

smaller in length. The diameter needs to be the same!

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 05/14/2007 : 15:05:34

I just replaced mine.

The one with the hole for the cotter pin is the top. It is shorter.

The longer one, no pin hole, is the bottom.

Both have the same diameter.

Check the bolts holding the gudgeons - mine became very loose at the bottom.

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Response Posted - 05/14/2007 : 15:07:13

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Duane Wolff
 The upper is smaller the lower is shorter.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
It's that statement that confused me.

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StSimon
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Response Posted - 05/18/2007 : 07:34:34

I have my original pintles but replaced the gudgeons with CD replacements. They seem to be longer in height as I can no longer put in a pin to keep the rudder from separating from the boat if it were grounded.

Anyone else have this problem? I suppose I could replace the pintles or grind the upper pintle until a pin will fit.

Sorry if I hijacked the thread but it seemed to fit.

Simon
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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 05/18/2007 : 08:02:32

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by StSimon
 ...I can no longer put in a pin to keep the rudder from separating from the boat if it were grounded...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I guess on a small lake that could be a good thing... (While you're grounded, just jump in and get the rudder.) On big water, in seas, you definitely need to have the rudder pinned in place. Some pitching of the boat could lift it off--especially the newer, lighter rudders. And if only the top (shorter) pintle lifts off in seas, the lower one can get torqued to the point of breaking the rudder.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 05/18/2007 08:04:55

ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 05/18/2007 : 08:25:03

>"CD replacements. They seem to be longer in height "

I replaced my gudgeons last year and noticed that the distance from the mounting holes to the top of the gudgeons is slightly different than the original units... which means they mount just a wee bit differently.

That said, I didn't have an issue with getting a retaining pin in the top pintle. Is one of the pintles on your rudder longer than the other? If you have two short pintles that could be the problem.

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Response Posted - 05/18/2007 : 09:11:35

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by ClamBeach
 ...Is one of the pintles on your rudder longer than the other? If you have two short pintles that could be the problem.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
As I recall, the hole is in the shorter (top) one.

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Response Posted - 05/18/2007 : 09:52:15

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Duane Wolff
 The upper is smaller the lower is shorter.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
It's that statement that confused me.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

yeah now that I read it I can see why. top short. Bottom long.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 05/18/2007 : 11:26:20

I may be small, but I'm slow!

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