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Champipple
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Initially Posted - 05/18/2007 : 19:57:49

I think within the next 2 years we will be putting a roller -furler on the boat. When I start looking at buying something that costs 2500 bucks, not including installation, extras, re-cut sails additional hardware etc I look for bargains, closeouts deals etc. I however know very little about furlers and started to do some research and immediately got lost.

Hopefully one of you knows enough info to help me out. I know some of it is just going to be new termiology that needs some definition on my part, but there are a few items that don't make sense.

First, I think I've narrowed it down to the Pro-furl (R420) unit or the Harken Unit. (Harken MKIV unit 2)

The first question - Many of these come W/O Toggle - what's the toggle?
The sizing says for boats 25 to 30ft loa. However most of those have max forestay lengths of 39 feet. I believe my forestay is almost 42 feet in length. Are there some other considerations or should I be looking in the 30 to 38 loa range?

the vendor below aside can somebody explain what are the options he has listed?
http://mauriprosailing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=PROR420&Category_Code=FUR3546

All I know is I definitely want two luff grooves - after that - No Clue.

D. Wolff
DPO C25 Hull 401
Currently Sailing "Champagne and Ripple" 1982 O'day 30

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 05/19/2007 : 11:30:30

I suspect the missing "toggle" is the hardware for attaching the drum to the stem fitting--probably missing because you should pick out the one with the right dimensions--particularly the clevis pin.

As for size, the main factor as I see it is the drum size, and therefore the length of the genoa foot that you can furl. Based on adverse experience, I'd err on the larger side. And based only on the things I've seen on the docks, I'd probably lean toward Harken.

Options: It appears the "turbuckle cylinder" allows the drum to sit down over the turnbuckle instead of riding above it (using the Long Link option). I'm not familiar with the locking devices or swivel attachment options--my Hood furler was a lot more basic. If it were me throwing 25 boat units, I'd be sitting down with a rigger to figure out exactly what I should get.

But now I've said much more than I know...

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 05/19/2007 11:52:51

Oscar
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Response Posted - 05/19/2007 : 13:00:18

Don't forget to check out CDI http://www.sailcdi.com/
It's standard on the 250, and with the ballbearing upgrade I always founf it refreshingly simple....(read affordable and reliable)

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Response Posted - 05/19/2007 : 13:25:27

Duane, check the graphic on page 7 of the CDI Furler Manual, it shows the 'Toggle'
http://www.sailcdi.com/sailpdf/FF1%20manual%207_06.pdf

Paul

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/19/2007 : 19:04:24

While reasonably priced the CDI unit doesn't have everything I'm looking for with respect to racing. I'm sure it is a good unit, but I need something with two luff tracks - I believe an open drum too amongst other things. I'm still doing the research which was in part why I posted here.

Dave - I will be discussing with a sail maker. I've been adamantly opposed to them due to performance. I've come to find out however that the performance drop can be mitigated on some units. I just want my ducks in a row before I talk to the guy.
dw

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/19/2007 : 19:49:33

Besides being rather bulletproof, Harken furlers lend themselves to racing with removeable split drums and twin grooves in the foil. Additionally, you can drop the halyard swivel to the bottom of the foil and use the entire foil length for a max luff length on your racing sails. Lastly, Harken recommends a moderately low clew for their furlers rather than the standard high cut clew of most generic furling sails.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/19/2007 : 20:09:10

cool - thanks Don. Does anyone know anything about the profurl units?

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Stu Jackson C34
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Response Posted - 05/22/2007 : 12:10:47

The advantage of the ProFurl is that you don't need a halyard restrainer at the top. The "Darth Vader" black top of the ProFurl does it for you. We have a ProFurl LCI32 on our boat and appreciate it's simplicity and integrity.

Edited by - Stu Jackson C34 on 06/13/2007 12:34:39

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