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cat78
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Initially Posted - 09/21/2007 : 15:49:04

I am replacing my motor bracket as per my previous posting. The weight of my motor is 124# the max on the Garhauer is 115#. So that bracket is out, or has any one placed a motor exceeding the 115 on that bracket. I hear Frank Hopper has has the Garelick bracket does any one have his email address so I can find out which one he has.

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Response Posted - 09/21/2007 : 17:03:35

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">...I hear Frank Hopper has has the Garelick bracket does any one have his email address so I can find out which one he has.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">We don't post e-mail addresses here--they can be picked up by the automatic harvesters and used for spamming. Instead, go to any of Frank's posts, click on his name (on the left), and then click the link to "send an e-mail". It will go to him with your return e-mail address. Anyway, he'll probably respond here.

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Response Posted - 09/22/2007 : 22:58:24

I am about to start the same process. A while back I bought a new Fulton motor mount on Ebay. The holes don't match up to my existing mount, but the weight rating is 130 lb for 2 stroke and up to 9.9 hp for 4 stroke. I'm thinking about getting the replacement mount from CD that matches my existing holes. Would you like the Fulton bracket? Still have original packaging and hardware.

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Response Posted - 09/24/2007 : 06:42:40

Sorry no can use motor 15hp

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Response Posted - 09/24/2007 : 07:51:04

Buy the Garhauer 4 spring, it will handle the motor. You should reinforce your transom to deal with your weight concerns. The mount will do fine.

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Response Posted - 09/24/2007 : 09:57:09

The Garelick company builds mounts for powerboats, the drop is from the lifted position to horizontal, NOT down past horizontal. Power boats have flat bottoms at the stern, a mount can be placed very low to the water. The difference on power boats is a question of how high the mount will raise the motor so it will get out of the water. Sailboats have a curved hull at the stern, ours is very curved. There is no hull where a Garelick should be mounted, if you buy a Garelick it will not put a motor into the water as deeply as it needs to be placed. Yes, even with an XLS (25" shaft), motor. The Garhauer is designed for our transom, it attaches where we have a place to put a mount and still have the rudder clear the OB.
FYI, In the days of two strokes an 9.9hp and a 15hp were identical except for the carburetor jets; therefore they weighed the same. Now in the day of four strokes it is the 8hp and the 9.9 that are identical, a 15 is another creature entirely and does not belong on our sailboat. It does not do anything except cause issues because it is an incorrect application for the motor.

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Response Posted - 09/24/2007 : 11:52:32

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Frank Hopper
 ..FYI, In the days of two strokes an 9.9hp and a 15hp were identical except for the carburetor jets; therefore they weighed the same. Now in the day of four strokes it is the 8hp and the 9.9 that are identical...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Clarification: I think Frank is talking about Hondas (every one a 4-stroke)... In the previous generation, the 9.9 and 15 were the same, and in the current generation the 8 and 9.9 are. Other brands have similar groupings--you need to see their specs to identify them. But indeed, 15 is overdoing it on a C-25 or C-250, and will likely detract from performance and efficiency.

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Response Posted - 09/24/2007 : 19:08:55

Frank,
Did you put a reinforcing board on the inside also>
David

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Response Posted - 09/24/2007 : 22:15:24

On my 82 I put starboard on the inside and outside. I think it was 1/2".

Edited by - Frank Hopper on 09/25/2007 06:06:48

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Response Posted - 09/24/2007 : 22:23:42

Thanks, I was contemplating doing the same. When i changed out the motor mount on our C-22 a few years ago, i put plywood on the inside, also marked and drilled it first and used it as a template for the new holes I had to drill in the transom.

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Response Posted - 09/25/2007 : 22:26:15

I did some measuring today. Looks like the Fulton mount will match 2 of the 4 existing holes, going vertically. That should help a lot with alignment. And if it doesn't work right after installation, there won't be as much to undo. I'm hoping this will work since I paid only $121 after s/h for the mount vs. over $300 for a Garhauer from CD.

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Response Posted - 09/25/2007 : 22:58:20

David: I put the Fulton 1810 bracket on Passage for my Honda 8 monster. It worked well, although it probably didn't provide as much lifting force as the newer 4-spring Garhauer or some Garelick models. But it was built like a bridge and had 14" of travel, which was plenty. Hope yours works out...

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 09/25/2007 22:59:28

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Response Posted - 09/25/2007 : 23:12:20

The 2 side rails on this thing are almost 1/4" thick, although aluminum instead of stainless. Should be plenty strong. Right now my motor is a 9.9 Suzuki elec start, 2 stroke, and my current mount has only 1 spring. Needless to say, it's a bear to lift or lower.

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Response Posted - 09/27/2007 : 07:47:59

David, a simple solution for you to try:
Attach an eyebolt to your motor (where the remote steering bracket would go) and attach a 5/8" block to it with a snap clip. Attach another block to the stern rail with a clip. Run a 5/8" line from the ring of the clip attached to the rail down through the block on the motor and back up through the upper block. Work out the length of line to suit the travel requirement and room to "tail".
Now you have a motor lift/lowering assist that can be attached and removed easily while underway. That is, until you can "spring" for the Garhauer.

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Response Posted - 09/27/2007 : 13:16:30

Thanks Dan. I forgot to mention that the PO had set up a block and tackle arrangement, which I altered with slightly better blocks and line. It does help a lot to control the vertical movement. Hopefully, the Fulton mount, which I'm going to try first, will eliminate the need for the assist set-up altogether.
Well, step one is done. The temporary motor is off the mount; got lucky, with the boat backed into the slip, the motor was almost waist high and when I lifted it up the few inches necessary to clear the bracket I could rest the cavitation plate right on the edge of the dock while I rotated it slightly to set it down on the dock. Piece of cake!

When I got home, I weighed it on the bathroom scales - 88 lbs. Since that's approx. 1/2 my body weight and I'm 57 years old with a lower back that acts up from time to time, I was a bit concerned at first.

Tomorrow I'll change out the mount and pick up the primary motor from the shop. Be nice to have electric start capability again, the admiral's looking forward to it too.

Edited by - dmpilc on 09/27/2007 20:00:07

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Response Posted - 10/01/2007 : 22:27:24

My apologies to Cat78. Didn't mean to take over his thread here. I'm continuing my adventures on the thread I started a few weeks ago.
David

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