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John Russell
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Response Posted - 10/26/2007 : 11:07:15

I like my Tohatsu 9.8 UL. It started first time every time and it took me everywhere I asked it to this season. How's that for a high tech endorsement?

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piseas
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Response Posted - 10/26/2007 : 13:29:17

Steve, I has a 8ph honda and its been fabulous. Very reliable and quiet. When I bought the boat, the Honda come with it, I was kinda bummed it was not a 9.5. But from reading what other forum members said, I am glad its a 8. I was not aware of the difference.
I do have a 6ph Tohatsu on my 9.5' inflatable and its also great. I was leaning toward a Honda for inflatable but price was definately a factor. Plus many of my sailing buddies recommended the Tohatsu.
Either way, you cant go wrong. Just make sure you have local mechanic.
Steve

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 10/26/2007 : 17:47:56

I also have a Honda - 2006 9.9hp Long Shaft. It has been great. Coast Guard in my area also have them.

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Tradewind
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Response Posted - 10/26/2007 : 20:22:13

Thanks for all the input. I think I'll stick with the Honda, got a price on the 8 with 25" shaft, more than I want to spend but I'll never have to buy another motor and I like the Hondas.

The mech said the drive train was trashed and repairs would probably cost more than half the cost of a new motor.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 10/26/2007 : 21:46:07

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Tradewind
 ...I think I'll stick with the Honda, got a price on the 8 with 25" shaft, more than I want to spend but I'll never have to buy another motor and I like the Hondas...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Even though the Honda isn't mud dauber proof?

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Tradewind
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Response Posted - 10/27/2007 : 09:41:19

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I'll make sure the new one is!

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 10/27/2007 : 14:19:18

Just make sure you let some air in somewhere...

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panhead1948
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Response Posted - 10/28/2007 : 13:10:24

I would check around and talk to another dealer. Two years ago I called the local dealer to get some gaskets and he said my 86 was too old. He couldn't get parts for it. Later that year I went to the Cleveland Boat Show and talk talk to another dealer and he said it was no problem getting parts. HE put in a new impeller changed oil and lower unit oil cleaned the carb and new plugs. It cost $310 and he said it was good for another 20 years. I think the other dealer just wanted to sell me a new motor.

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Tradewind
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Response Posted - 10/30/2007 : 16:31:15

I have the engine back from the dealer, they told me it needed to be given a funeral. I'll take it for a second opinion but it was a Honda mech that gave me the bad news.

I still want a new Honda but I'm considering Tohatsu also based on the good reviews on this forum. Is the 25" shaft necessary or will the 20" suffice? Sailing now is on a lake but may become coastal if I can ever get the boat out of the water.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 10/30/2007 : 17:16:35

Get the 25" regardless of where you're sailing. It's the right auxiliary when (if) you want to sell the boat to somebody who might sail her elsewhere.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 10/30/2007 : 18:45:03

Our 2000 Honda 9.9hp is a 28" shaft. Not sure if that is still available. It sure keeps the prop in the water.

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Tradewind
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Response Posted - 10/30/2007 : 20:31:27

Randy, I don't see a 28" available from Honda now. It will either be Tohatsu 9.8 from Outboards online or the Honda 8 from the local dealer, 25" shaft. I like the price on the Tohatsu but like the local dealer for the Honda.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 10/30/2007 : 20:43:31

The Honda XL (spec'd as 25") shaft is actually about 27.75" from the top of the clamps to the anticavitation plate. I think the Tohatsu 25" is also actually a little longer. In any case, that's what you want on a 25' sailboat with a bracket extending off the transom. When you're spending that much, there's no point in not adding a few bucks to get the right thing.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 10/30/2007 : 21:53:59

Dave is right, the XL is listed at 25" but measure 27.75"

Either the Honda or the Tohatsu will be a fine motor. On our C22 we switched from a Honda 8 to a Tohatsu 8 to save weight. Neither one should need servicing much at all, these outboards are simple devices. We bought the Tohatsu from onlineoutboards.com and were very happy.

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panhead1948
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Response Posted - 11/01/2007 : 14:00:20

It was a Honda dealer that told me no parts were evailable for my engine but another dealer said it was no problem. Some will work with you others just want to sell you another.

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listenup
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Response Posted - 11/06/2007 : 22:04:52

A 2004 (looks like new) Honda 8 hp XL shaft came with the C25 my wife and I just purchased this last Saturday. The prior owner has stepped up to a Catalina 30. My question is in regard to manhandling it our of the bed of the pickup and installing onto the C25. It would be nice to have some sort of a purchase arrangement to help get in on the boat while on the trailer, prior to launching. Any thoughts?
Thanks in advance,
Mike[/font=Comic Sans MS]

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 11/07/2007 : 07:40:14

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by listenup
 ...My question is in regard to manhandling it our of the bed of the pickup and installing onto the C25. It would be nice to have some sort of a purchase arrangement to help get in on the boat while on the trailer, prior to launching. Any thoughts?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">How often--each time you sail or just at the beginning and end of the season? If the former, you might be a candidate for the davit from somebody like St. Croix Marine or Garhauer--you can Google them... I think somebody in this group has the Garhauer davit--a new thread titled something like "Lifting Outboard" might smoke 'em out.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 11/07/2007 : 08:31:25

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by listenup
 My question is in regard to manhandling it out of the bed of the pickup and installing onto the C25. It would be nice to have some sort of a purchase arrangement to help get in on the boat while on the trailer, prior to launching. Any thoughts?
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I back my pickup up to the outboard mount, lower it to the lowest setting, then stand on the tailgate to install the outboard.

Oh, and congratulations…Welcome to the fleet!

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 11/07/2007 : 10:54:13

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by listenup
 My question is in regard to manhandling it out of the bed of the pickup and installing onto the C25. It would be nice to have some sort of a purchase arrangement to help get in on the boat while on the trailer, prior to launching. Any thoughts?
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I back my pickup up to the outboard mount, lower it to the lowest setting, then stand on the tailgate to install the outboard.

Oh, and congratulations…Welcome to the fleet!

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Me too, hardly lift more than a couple of inches.

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bear
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Response Posted - 11/07/2007 : 13:42:21

My Honda 8 comes off once a year in the fall, my technique is to lower the back of the trailer all the way and back pickup 90 degrees to the motor, it's just a matter of a lift and carry 3-4 ft, reverse for installation. One more reason to work out 4 days a week.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 11/07/2007 : 16:22:48

You may know this, Mike, but be sure to lay it on the side with the two little "feet" on the case, and the tiller handle up. Otherwise it'll deposit its crankcase oil all over everything. (A yard-guy did that to me.)

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listenup
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Response Posted - 11/07/2007 : 19:44:50

Thanks to all for your responses re. the 8 hp Honda. It appears we will only have to put the motor on the bracket once at the start of the season (April) and remove it in October. Same goes for stepping and then taking down the mast. When not sailing, it will be on the trailer parked in the Lake parking lot. (no reports of items disappearing from boats, as far as I know.)
Regards,
Mike

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 11/07/2007 : 19:58:11

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by listenup
 ...(no reports of items disappearing from boats, as far as I know.)<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">So as not to tempt fate, you can lock the motor onto the bracket with a cable lock (a good idea for safety anyway), a padlock through the clamps, or most securely, a locking steel bar that covers the clamps.

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bear
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Response Posted - 11/08/2007 : 07:09:42

Mike, For the first time in 7 years I left "Brandy" in the Marina storage lot with the mast up. First time I did not bring her home and store in my back yard. Mast lowering and raising were one of the reasons, dwindling help another reason. I have winterized and installed tarps where appropriate. First flakes of snow came a few days ago. So we shall see. Most other sailboats in that area leave mast's up.

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listenup
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Response Posted - 11/08/2007 : 09:08:42

Bear, our prior boat was a Cat22 and trailering it up to Howard Prairie Lake in So. Oregon wasn't a problem with a 3/4 Dodge w/Cummins diesel. It is about a 9 miles climb to 4000+ feet however, and putting wear and tear on the Dodge was to be avoided. The charge for being in the marina parking lot is $270 for the season (April-October). The weight difference between the 22 and 25 is significant and ensures that we stay in the parking lot when not sailing. the Honda 8 XL shaft did come with a locking bar, so that should help secure the motor. All the upgrades I wanted to do on the 22 has already been done by the PO's (two) (bless their heart). Between the like new Honda and two yr. old Trail-rite trailer, the boat was almost free. My experience has been with large boats over the last 25 years, so getting used to smaller boats has been a little work. Last boat was a Pearson Countess 44.
Mike

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