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kevinmac
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Initially Posted - 11/01/2007 : 19:15:14

Big Boat Syndrome may be striking me unexpectedly. I have an opportunity to get a boat that I really think a lot of at a great price. Not what I had been expecting to happen for some time in the future.

Anyway, to the question. I have a 2006 C250WK with trailer. It has speed, depth, and a Garmin (something) GPS (built in the bulkhead, it is like a chartplotter). Showing how unexpected this is, I also have a symetrical spinnaker that I bought for it, but I have not rigged the boat for it yet. I also have a roller furling 135.

Can y'all hazard a guess as to what it will bring? A new one similarly equipped is now $42,000 delivered in the Pacific Northwest, although I can't say how relevant that is.

I would appreciate your opinions.

I may have caught BBS from Duane, didn't know you could get it over the phone...

Kevin

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 11/01/2007 : 19:37:57

There's a '06 listed in San Diego for $35k without the electronics or spin. It has a windvane (?????) however.

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piseas
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Response Posted - 11/02/2007 : 14:25:35

Kevin, how big?
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 11/02/2007 : 15:02:24

You might be better off selling the boat and sails separately (extra sails)

I doubt anything I had was contagious

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kevinmac
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Response Posted - 11/04/2007 : 08:17:37

Duane, yes, I was thinking separate might be the way to go, thanks.

Piseas. 30' by 18'.

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Response Posted - 11/04/2007 : 08:44:25

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by piseas
 Kevin, how big?
Steve
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"><blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by kevinmac
 Piseas. 30' by 18'.

Kevin
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Ah, twenty questions...Is it a catamaran?

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Response Posted - 11/04/2007 : 15:40:32

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by piseas
 Kevin, how big?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"><blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by kevinmac Piseas. 30' by 18'.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Ah, twenty questions...Is it a catamaran?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">No, a really big jacuzzi.

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kevinmac
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Response Posted - 11/04/2007 : 19:24:15

Don wins.

http://www.mecat.com/MC30page.htm

Like Bristle's idea though...

Kevin

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Response Posted - 11/05/2007 : 06:04:47

Kevin, What made you consider multi-hull? Did the boom hit you in the head? Just giving you a hard time. Its been many years since I have sailed one, but was much smaller. It was fun but didn't have all the goodies like the one you are looking at. Good luck.

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kevinmac
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Response Posted - 11/05/2007 : 11:03:50

Like others recently, an opportunity came up on a boat I have always admired, and I have a sudden desire to spend way more money on sailing and spend a lot more time doing maintenance... ;-)

It is not all sure that this will happen, just a possibility.

Kevin

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SEAN
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Response Posted - 11/05/2007 : 17:35:26

Kevin ,

looks like a great second home !!
I like the dingy set up , and plenty of lounging space .
and how its easy to make a full enclosure.

how fast do they sail ?

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 11/05/2007 : 18:30:00

That's not a boat. That's a condo!

I thought you had a tight docking space.

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kevinmac
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Response Posted - 11/06/2007 : 10:32:03

Sean,

That depends of course on how much wind you have, but "windspeed" or a little less is a good rule of thumb, depending on the point of sail. I was on one over the weekend, in 8 knots of wind we did 8 knots on a reach and 6 knots 40 degrees off the true wind (yes, some cats do go to windward well). The reason is less water resistance due to shallow draft and large hull beam to water line length ratio. Draft is only 2', not counting the daggerboard for going to windward which is 5'.

Kevin

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Response Posted - 11/06/2007 : 11:23:11

ya I like it , its proportioned nicly too ,
8 knots sounds good to me .

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 11/06/2007 : 21:06:56

I was drooling over a 36' cat over the summer. The owner was all smiles when he showed me around, he absolutley loved his boat.

Later that day, we left the marina in a Catalina 30 and right behind us was the Cat - he wizzed past us like we were standing still.

When we move up, it will most likely be a 30+ foot Catamaran.
The problem in many marinas however, is moorage. A cat takes up a lot of room.

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johnsonp
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Response Posted - 11/06/2007 : 21:43:37

The pros are you usually get an outside tie at most marinas.They seem to make it thru all the San Jaun, Sunshine Coast and Gulf Island channels I've been thru.
The some friends of ours from Sacramento have Rikki Tikk Tavi http://svrikki.blogspot.com/

The cons are do not tip it over in deep water.

paulj

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kevinmac
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Response Posted - 11/07/2007 : 09:46:06

I am considering a 30' cat. For moorage, it seems that most marinas are happy to put me in a 36' double slip and charge me 1.5 times the 36' rate. That is a lot more for moorage than I have been paying, but it is only 50% more than I would pay for a 30'+ monohull.

When I first got on a cat, I thought I knew about them. Heck, I used to sail Hobie's for a couple of years off the beach in Santa Cruz. Why would I want one of these? They capsize, big risk when you fly a hull. They pitchpole. Etc. I did a lot of research, read books and articles on both sides of the question, and have come to believe that the capsize and pitchpole issues are red herrings in real life. The risk of capsizing a cat is like the risk of sinking a monohull by broaching with the hatchboards open and filling the boat with water. Both are avoidable with conservative, careful seamanship. I analyzed accidents in cats, and the capsizes I read about all seemed to be about like the one in Oregon recently, where (and this is just my own speculation based on no facts) the crew was probably pressing on through weather they should have stayed out of in order to get a boat delivered to a show. (May they rest in peace.) Another was a boat trying to get back into port ahead of a front, had ALL the sail up (no reefs) in 60 knot winds, and then got hit by a stronger gust that just place exceeded their boats capabilities. In that case the boat turtled and all three crew sat on top of it for three hours waiting for a passing boat to notice them. It is (to me) indicative of their attitude toward safety that they were off shore with no EPRIB (or whatever that abbreviation is), and they were lucky someone DID pass them.

I like both types of boats. But for me and my wife, the cat seems like a better place to move up to, for many reasons.

Oh, and Paul, I won't want to tip one over it shallow water either... ;-)

Kevin

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 11/07/2007 : 10:23:15

My wife would absolutely love a cat!

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 11/07/2007 : 10:56:47

BTW, Kevin,

I think the fine print in your deal as Commodore binds you to the C25 indefinitely.

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kevinmac
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Response Posted - 11/07/2007 : 11:02:44

Then I am already in trouble as a C250WK owner... ;-)

Kevin

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 11/07/2007 : 14:46:25

Have you sailed the cat? When we were in Friday Harbor there was a large cat at the dock, bigger than the one you are looking at. Someone asked the fellow how it sailed. He replied "Like a tennis court."

I do envy the room you will have on that and it will be much more stable than a monohull. And YOU MUST please the wife, that is clear.

Just sail it first so that you know it will be fun for you.

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kevinmac
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Response Posted - 11/10/2007 : 15:00:21

Sailed one for two hours in light winds. I will miss heeling, my wife won't. But in 5 to 10 knots of wind we were doing 4 to 8 knots. We were towing a dinghy (he forgot to untie it) and that made our speed especially apparent (it was a hard dinghy, and it was planing). So I will enjoy the speed and other stuff.

But it is not sure that this will happen yet. I and my wife are going to go sail one in San Diego soon, so I will know more then.

But I would have to agree with the guy in a way. It does sail like a tennis court - a really fast tennis court.

I know, real men like heeling at 45 degrees beating into a stiff breeze, and I do. But there are compensations... Having my guests sit in comfort sipping their drinks, or sunbathing on the forward trampolines while I beat into a 15 knot wind going 8 knots will not be a bad thing. (Kind of drafty for the sunbathers though.)

I may end up completely losing my mind, putting the cat in charter in the San Juans and keeping my 250 to sail in Portland. I do love my 250.

Is owning two boats prima facie evidence for immediate commitment to a long term mental facility?

Kevin

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Response Posted - 11/10/2007 : 19:04:35

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Is owning two boats prima facie evidence for immediate commitment to a long term mental facility?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

If that's so, I should have been committed a long time ago. I've got two sailboats, the Catalina & a San Juan 21, an Avon for a "real" inflatable, and one "toy" inflatable that we use to float down the Yakima River on once a year or so, I had two of these for a while, but gave the second one to a friend. And I'm considering putting a catamaran into charter in the Caribbean Sea.

See you in the loony bin...

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kevinmac
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Response Posted - 11/12/2007 : 08:28:17

I'll save you a seat...

Kevin

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piseas
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Response Posted - 11/12/2007 : 15:53:20

I am an insurance agent and I have some customers that have 5 or 6 or 7 cars! I dont see whats so wrong with owning a couple of boats!

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kevinmac
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Response Posted - 11/12/2007 : 16:13:56

You can have a seat next to us...

Kevin

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