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Nautiduck
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Initially Posted - 03/28/2008 : 13:54:10

I want to do the winch on coaming mod to make single-handing easier - and to relieve the Admiral of tacking duties!

I need some quick advice from you who have done this project.

At the defender.com sale I found these stanchion blocks. Are four of these what you recommend?

[url="http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|118|103371|311570|311646&id=112900"]Schaefer 300-35[/url]

Also, they have the Lewmar 6C on sale ($129.95). Are folks happy with this non-tailer or should I spend the extra $ for the 16T ($470)?? I plan to only get one since we have a furler. We'll use it to raise the main and reef.

[url="http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|118|3071|311600|311605&id=2714"]Lewmar 6C[/url]

That $47 for the Schaefer stanchion blocks is the lowest I have seen.

We cannot direct the winds but we can adjust our sails.

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 03/28/2008 : 14:33:38

Randy, I added a block to the SS loop that the lifeline conects to on the cat bird seat, worked fine when I tested a spinny sheet all the way back there. Or are you planning on putting the block on the crooked stanchions?

Paul

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SEAN
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Response Posted - 03/28/2008 : 16:04:59

Randy ,
the blocks by the cabin top ,are the shaefer .
there fine .
the blocks on the back are harken blocks .
there fine too.
I have a 110 jib .

what about a clam cleat to use with the smaller winches ?

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 03/28/2008 : 17:29:43

I plan a setup like Tom Potter:

Sean, I have line clutches already for the halyard and reef so I don't think I'd need a cam cleat.

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 03/28/2008 : 17:48:25

I think that he was referring to a cam cleat after your coaming winch. Lots less expensive than a self-tailer and will still hold the sheet.

Or, are your thinking of switching the winches as Tom has done?

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Response Posted - 03/28/2008 : 18:16:04

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I think that he was referring to a cam cleat after your coaming winch. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

ya , its always nice to save money !

I like Toms setup too .

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 03/28/2008 : 19:19:46

John, I'm planning to move the self-tailers to the coaming and put one 6C on the deck where one 16ST is now on starboard to use for raising the main and setting the reef.

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Response Posted - 03/28/2008 : 21:19:05

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Nautiduck
 John, I'm planning to move the self-tailers to the coaming and put one 6C on the deck where one 16ST is now on starboard to use for raising the main and setting the reef.
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Sorry guys, we are moving in a couple days and I've been tied up packing. We're headed to the coast of NC.

Randy,
Those blocks look like they would work. I got mine on [url="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Sailboats-Ronstan-Staunchion-Blocks-2-NEW_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742Q2em153Q2el1262QQcategoryZ31281QQihZ016QQitemZ260223300938QQtcZphoto"]e-bay[/url] 2 for $43.

I've been trying to remember where I got my Lewmars 6C's, I recall I got a heck of a deal, under $100 each. It was some place on line. I thought it was [url="http://mauriprosailing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=LEW19006100&Category_Code=LEWSTDWIN"]Mauri Pro Sailing[/url] but I just checked and theirs are $139 each.

One winch on the starboard side cabin would do you, but remember your going to have holes where the other one was on the port side.

Also the bolt hole pattern will likely have to be adjusted from the winches you move to the coaming and the 6C you replace them with. I had to fill a couple holes and drill a couple new ones. Not a big deal since the 6C's I put back on the cabin top covered the holes I filled in.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 03/29/2008 : 00:05:40

Thanks for the e-bay link Tom! Just bought four of those stanchion blocks for $86. Now if I can find a sweet deal on the C6s...

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Response Posted - 03/29/2008 : 01:09:46

Randy, I used the winchers, the rubber tailers, which have helped single handing and racing. The C25 with the toe rail cars with blocks I use to adjust the line to the winch so it won't override. An override can ruin a perfect tack.

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Response Posted - 03/29/2008 : 09:38:41

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Nautiduck
 I plan a setup like Tom Potter:

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Keep in mind, the closer the lead angle to the winch is to horizontal, the more likely overrides will occur.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 03/29/2008 : 10:13:51

Don and Jim, thanks for the tips re overrides. Lewmar recommends that the line come to the winch at a 5-10 degree angle. It appears that Tom's setup does that. If not then the solution, I think, would be to mount the winch on a riser.

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Response Posted - 03/29/2008 : 11:21:50

Randy,
I haven't had any problems with override. You can adjust the stanchion block up or down to achieve the degree that works best for you.

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Response Posted - 03/30/2008 : 08:26:53

With a block at the base of the midship stanchion, there will be no problem with overides.

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Response Posted - 03/30/2008 : 20:01:23

Randy, will the Lewmar 6C bolts line up the existing holes left behind by the factory cabin top winches?

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Response Posted - 03/30/2008 : 20:15:49

I know they don't match up with the ST16's that were on my 97wk, not sure about the 14's.

Edited by - Tom Potter on 03/30/2008 20:16:38

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Response Posted - 03/31/2008 : 08:39:39

Randy,
I have a 98WB and am planning the same job in the next few weeks so I hope you keep this topic going with the results of your job. I have the winches and blocks but I'll wait until the boat is in the water to do the job for two reasons. 1st the electric is right at the dock while my location in the yard is several hundred feet away from the nearest outlet. 2nd, I want to replace my tiller...it should be here any day. The new model will be a few inches different from the existing tiller (not the original). It's not that the tiller could possibly interfere with the winches but it might move the location of where I sit by a few inches and I want to get the winch location just right. Actually I was thinking four or five inches aft of where it is in Tom's pictures.
Also, I noticed in Tom's pictures there is a fairlead that appears to be a clamp-on on the front of the u-shaped stanchion. I've not seen the clamp-on type on the web sites I've visited. Does anyone know brand or source?
As always THANK YOU to all on this site for the great info.

Joe
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Tom Potter
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Response Posted - 03/31/2008 : 09:17:35

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by jlannutti
 Randy,
I have a 98WB and am planning the same job in the next few weeks so I hope you keep this topic going with the results of your job. I have the winches and blocks but I'll wait until the boat is in the water to do the job for two reasons. 1st the electric is right at the dock while my location in the yard is several hundred feet away from the nearest outlet. 2nd, I want to replace my tiller...it should be here any day. The new model will be a few inches different from the existing tiller (not the original). It's not that the tiller could possibly interfere with the winches but it might move the location of where I sit by a few inches and I want to get the winch location just right. Actually I was thinking four or five inches aft of where it is in Tom's pictures.
Also, I noticed in Tom's pictures there is a fairlead that appears to be a clamp-on on the front of the u-shaped stanchion. I've not seen the clamp-on type on the web sites I've visited. Does anyone know brand or source?
As always THANK YOU to all on this site for the great info.

Joe
"Gracie" '98WB # 360
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Joe,
Spinlock made the ones in my picture. You can pick them up at [url="http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/producte/10001/-1/10001/65409/377%20710/0/fairlead/Primary%20Search/mode%20matchallpartial/10/0?N=377 710&Ne=0&Ntt=fairlead&Ntk=Primary Search&Ntx=mode matchallpartial&Nao=10&Ns=0&keyword=fairlead&isLTokenURL=true&storeNum=2&subdeptNum=323&classNum=340"]West Marine[/url] or online else where.

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Response Posted - 03/31/2008 : 10:36:29

My winches are installed on angle winch pads. My jib sheets go to the stantion the cabin top only (you can see the line running just behind the Admiral). This works for me - just have to watch you footing going to the cabin top as the jib sheet passes over the coaming.

This is the block on the stanchion base with a stainless clamp holding it in to the stanchion. The line passes from the jib block on the track, inside of the fairlead block (block points to centerline of boat), to the winch.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 03/31/2008 : 11:09:25

Steve, the Defender sale was so good, and the deal on the stanchion blocks as well, that I opted to go a little bigger and bought the Lewmar 7C winch. I am not counting on the holes to line up. Life isn't like that!

Joe, I went with the four articulating stanchion blocks. Tom Potter indicates in one of his posts that he would replace his stationary (Spinlock) with the articulating stanchion blocks at some point. I think the articulating stanchion blocks will provide a better fairlead. I think the fellow still has some on ebay. I will take pictures of the project and post. Probably in the next few weeks.

Wil, I like your setup too. Have you considered a pedestal guard? We love ours. It allows a fold-down table, drink holders, GPS chartplotter mount, etc. I'm really glad we added one.

Edited by - Nautiduck on 03/31/2008 11:11:51

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Response Posted - 03/31/2008 : 11:15:50

Randy,
I added the pedistal guard last summer (that was an older photo). I like having the extra hand hold when moving around the cockpit as well as being able to mount accessories.

Note: When I installed the guard, I bought a straight guard off ebay. The straight guard interfered with the Edson pedistal controls for the engine/shifter. So I took the guard to work and an electricion friend and I used his conduit bender and turned the straight guard into the newer style two angle guards. Works great now.

Edited by - welshoff on 03/31/2008 11:16:26

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Response Posted - 03/31/2008 : 12:43:56

I have considered the pedastal guard as well, can you tell me the pros / cons and explain how much trouble it was to install? (Pictures?) Which guard did you use, size etc. I am obviously concerned about drilling holes in the deck but really like the idea of a guard.

Don

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 03/31/2008 : 14:22:23

Don, here is the post I did on my pedestal guard installation. It is not a difficult project.

[url="http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14830&SearchTerms=pedestal,guard"]pedestal guard[/url]

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Response Posted - 04/01/2008 : 07:46:10

More questions regarding my upcoming winch installation. What did you use to secure the winches. I bought two new Lewmar 7Cs.I believe Lewmar's site recommends #10 fasteners. I had a sheet of stainless laying around the garage for years from an auto repair job. I plan to use pieces of it as a backing plate. It is just too heavy to cut with snips or shears but too light to cut with a reciprocating saw. After much aggrivation I have pieces that fit flush against the top of the two coaming "compartments". This will work great if I end up mounting them there. If I go forwrad of those compartments I'll need to gain access to the bottom of the coaming and trim these backing plates to another size. I'm trying to let the optimal location for the winch determine the spot I pick and not ease of installation. Any suggestions? How have others secured the winches?

Joe

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 04/01/2008 : 09:48:32

Joe, the advice of Tom Potter and Arlyn Stewart, two forum members who's advice I trust, is that large stainless steel fender washers are enough for the backing. Catalina, after all, uses washers to mount the 16STs on the deck. That is what I plan to do.

I think you were wise to buy two of the 7Cs. I'm going to have to develop my gelcoat matching skills pretty quick on the port side where I'll need to fill and mask those holes.

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Response Posted - 04/01/2008 : 10:16:29

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Can you say "cupholder"?

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