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lcharlot
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Initially Posted - 03/31/2008 : 03:54:19

With the outrageous price of gas, and the fact that advancing age is making it physically harder for me to rig/de-rig my Catalina 25, I had pretty much dropped out of my sailing club's "trailer-away" cruising program after 1996. Now we are having "issues" with Folsom Lake - premature closures of the marina in mid-summer due to low water level in 2001, 2004, 2007, and likely this year too. This is forcing our sailing club to curtail our cruises or move them to other venues.

So, I have decided to pick up a 1986 C-22 for trailer sailing. She is hull #13457, and her name is "Magic". I've known this boat since 1991, and she is an old hand in our sailing club, Catalina 22 Fleet 4. She is still in surprisingly good shape and needs only a new battery, new keel cable, some electrical re-wiring, and new trailer bunks and brakes to be ready for an away cruise. The sails are original, and the main needs 4 new battens, but I figure they will be good enough for the limited amount of away cruises I will be doing. The boat is at Folsom Lake at the moment-we will replace the trailer bunks next Saturday after which I will bring her home. The motor is a 1986 Honda 7.5, and the seller warned me that the motor would not idle. I took the carburetor apart today and managed to clear the blocked idle jet with a thin piece of wire, after which the motor starts and idles as smooth as any 22 year old outboard could be expected to. The alternator seems to be working properly too; it is putting out 15.5 volts at 3000rpm (I'll need the power to keep the battery up during our San Juans cruise this summer).
First cruise in Magic will probably be the San Juans. As long as there is water in Folsom Lake, which will hopefully be at least until mid-July, I will be sailing Quiet Time.
Funny, it's been 12 years since I sold Summertime Dream, my first C-22 that I bought in 1994, now here I am buying a C-22 again. I don't have any plans to sell Quiet Time, at least as long as I can still handle her, but with a C-22 I can expand my sailing to other venues like Lake Tahoe, Monterey, and SF Bay that I had quit going to due to the effort and stress required to trailer the C-25.

Larry Charlot
Catalina 25WK/TR Mk. IV #5857 "Quiet Time"
Folsom Lake, CA

"You might get there faster in a powerboat, but in a sailboat, you're already there"

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 03/31/2008 : 06:53:36

Larry, I don't know what it is about these boats, but, after you've owned them, you just can't get rid of them. After I bought my C25, I wished I had kept my C22 for the ease of trailering and launching. After I bought my present boat, I wished I had kept my C25, because it's so much fun to race. What's up with that?

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 03/31/2008 : 07:56:57

The 86 was a great year for the 22, well done.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 03/31/2008 : 08:42:51

When I read here of people buying a C-25 to trailer-sail, I wince! You've got the right idea... (...although you're gonna miss that cabin on your cruises!

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JohnP
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Response Posted - 03/31/2008 : 09:20:53

Larry,

Sounds like an exciting place to sail.

Have you cruised the San Juans in either your C-25 or previous C-22, and are there limitations to what the C-22 can do there?

When I was in Vancouver, BC a while ago on business, I noticed that there seem to be few boats under 35 ft. that sail out of the Vancouver area and cross the Strait of Georgia to the islands.

But from the San Juans you could possibly go up the coast to Galiano, Mayne, Saturna, Pender, and Saltspring. Is that kind of trip in your plans, too?

Happy sailing.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 03/31/2008 : 11:21:28

Larry, we have cruised the San Juans in our C250 and will be in the Gulf Islands in May. A 22 footer will be fine there, the water is very protected. We put in at Cap Sante Marina in Anacortes.

We had a 1986 C22 fin keel and loved it. It will turn on a dime. However the fin keel made trailering not any more easy that the wing C250! Your swing keel solves that problem.

Maybe we'll see you in the San Juans.

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 03/31/2008 : 11:32:43

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JohnP
 Larry,

Have you cruised the San Juans in either your C-25 or previous C-22, and are there limitations to what the C-22 can do there?

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I have been to the San Juans three times with my C-25. Several people from my sailing club have gone on these cruises with C-22's and had no problems. Yes, the strait of Georgia can get rough if the wind is up, but it's generally pretty calm in July and August. The only "limitation" of a C-22 compared to a C-25 is boat speed - the C-22 is slightly slower, especially if you are towing a dinghy. And of course cabin accomodations are more cramped; the C-22 is substantially smaller inside than a 25. But, I will be single handed so the lack of interior space won't be as much of a problem as it would be for two or three people. I'll have to remember to keep my head down, as the C-22 doesn't have full standing headroom for me even with the pop-top up, which is the main reason I moved up to a C-25. I have a 10' dinghy, so getting ashore to stretch my legs won't be a problem, and in fact it will be a lot easier to get in and out of the dinghy since the C-22's freeboard is a lot lower than the C-25's.

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sweetcraft
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Response Posted - 03/31/2008 : 11:45:13

There are many 22's that sail the Northwest. Have met 22 skippers that have another boat but did not want to miss sailing the NW. The Pelican Fleets flock to the NW each year and they sure enjoy and the boat is 12'. Posting your visit get you an opportunity to meet Forum members. Larry, I hope you get to meet up with Nautiduck. I can't wait to go again. I have been able to go almost every other year since 74 and it just get better.

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 03/31/2008 : 12:22:36

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Frank Hopper
 The 86 was a great year for the 22, well done.
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You bet. The BEST C-22's, IMHO, are the '86-'89 models, the last of the the Mark I's with the flush mount cabin windows, fixed galley at the forward end of the "salon", safe-store fuel locker, transom cockpit drains, anchor locker, and easy-access battery box in the lazarette. After 1990, the boat was redesigned and became the "Mark II", which is 300 pounds lighter and therefore better for one-design racing, but the interior is so stripped down it is like a Catalina 250 compared to a Catalina 25. The Mk II seems to be almost a step backwards, with the return of the sliding galley in the starboard quarterberth. I guess for day-sailing it might be better - wider, more comfortable seating inside, and the plexiglass hatches make for a lighter, brighter interior space. But for an extended cruise of 1-3 weeks, if I had to do it in a boat as small as a C-22, I'd rather have an '86-89. Magic is actually the second '86 C-22 I have owned - Summertime Dream was also an '86 and in fact her hull number was very close to Magic's if I remember correctly. The California registration numbers are only three different! Magic is CF-6445-JC, and Summertime Dream was CF-6448-JC, so they must have been sold and registered in the same week, maybe even on the same day. I know that Lowell Richardson (owner of Catalina Direct here in Sacramento) was the original dealer for both boats.

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 03/31/2008 : 13:39:19

Congrats.
There are a couple C22's on our lake and they sure don't have any trouble keeping up with the 25 footers.
I bought my C25 with the intention of towing all over North America. After 5 or 6 big trips, Towing and Rigging is a lot less appealing in terms of time and money.
More and more, my C25 is like a cabin at the lake. The view hasn't changed in a couple years, so I take comfort in the familiarity and proximety instead of the variety of all those other lakes and oceans.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Have you cruised the San Juans in either your C-25 or previous C-22, and are there limitations to what the C-22 can do there?

When I was in Vancouver, BC a while ago on business, I noticed that there seem to be few boats under 35 ft. that sail out of the Vancouver area and cross the Strait of Georgia to the islands.
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C25 & C22's are great boats for that part of the world. Weather forecasting is accurate, two Navies,LOTS OF CGs,towing co's, lots of ports and coves and protected areas.
Vancouver is the high-rent district. If you were looking at boats in the Marinas bordering Downtown (Coal Harbour) or close to Stanley Park - you saw where the rich go to play.

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