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Douglas
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Initially Posted - 08/24/2002 : 14:33:43

Worse seems to have come to worse. Sailing for me at the moment will soon have to come to an end for a while. It looks like my employer is hell bent on provoking a Union strike. There contingency plan for sallaried people. Furlough everyone. Meeting the cost of living today isn't easy and the first thing to go must be the toys, even the serious toys. You have all seen me post here for several years. Old site and new. Many friends have come and gone or shared there woes with us. Now its my turn. After almost 28 years in the aviation industry I must find another job. Ill survive Ill find another job but I must sell my treasured boat and become a dock bum. If you know of anyone in the Washington state area loooking for a well cared for C-25 please let me know. Wind Lass will be for sale.

Doug&Ruth
Wind Lass
Tacoma Wa.

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tinob
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Response Posted - 08/24/2002 : 16:27:29

Doug,

I don't know the answer to your dilemma but twelve years ago I was dealth a blow that had me and my wife living on a seventeen foot Newport. Lost a house and several hundred thousand dollars to boot. I thought we'd die but someone close told me that life goes on. The thought stuck in my mind but wasn't what I needed at the time. We persevered and are back on our feet today. I'm sure that you will also hang tough and come through in time. The very best wishes to you and yours and if prayers will help you've got mine.
Val on "CALISTA" # 3936

Val Bisagni

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 08/24/2002 : 17:36:01

Our hearts go out to you, Doug. I can't think of a worse scenario than having to give up a boat that's cared for you & yours for years.
May we see you again asap!
Derek

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Doug
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Response Posted - 08/24/2002 : 22:59:03

The airline/plane business is a tough one Doug. In 28 years I'm sure you've seen more than one strike or threatened lay off. Our best wishes to you. If you do sell windlass and find yourself boatless just drop me a line. Noeta is is tied up just a few piers away from Windlass, and you'd be welcomed to take her out.

Doug - #1913 Noeta

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 08/25/2002 : 19:33:07

It ain't fun, Doug, but in my 34-year career, I've been cut loose twice. The next time will be the last, I think... I'll then be able to fulfill my career aspiration to be a Walmart greeter. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> But seriously, in a way, it's an interesting opportunity to redefine yourself.

Are you getting professional (meaning outside) outplacement counseling? If so, soak it up as much as you can. They can really help open your eyes to ways to find areas you might not have thought of, how to market yourself, how to kick ass in an interview, etc. You may surprise yourself and close on a new career before you get a bite on Wind Lass. Then you can put a SOLD sign out!

Wether you keep her or sell her, stick around the forum, and give us some progress reports. I suspect more than a few of us have been there.

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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coldducks
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Response Posted - 08/25/2002 : 22:18:38

dont jump too quickly. AND DO NOT SELL YOUR BOAT. something will come up. hang in there. we have all been there. when one door closes, another one opens up. the money ALWAYS takes care of itself. i dont know how, but it does. of all the things you are, YOU ARE are sailor. dont sell the boat. good luck to you and keep us posted.

COLDDUCKS
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 08/26/2002 : 10:22:22

Douglas,

Before you hang out the "For sale sign" shoot me an email regarding future employment. I work for the worlds largest recruiter

DW

Duane Wolff
"The Flying Wasp"
C-25, #401 std,sk
Chief Measurer C-25/250 National Assn.
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ps: In all seriousness, if you are looking for a few bucks in the interim, there has never been a West-Marine that I have seen that wasn't hiring experienced sailors. You would at least be making a few skins on the side doing something somewhat enjoyable while you search for new work.

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gerdo
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Response Posted - 08/26/2002 : 12:00:24

sorry to see you go, hey wait a minute you can still talk to us onthis site. And if you are ever on the east coast on the bay come sail with me.

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Response Posted - 08/26/2002 : 16:34:53

Hi Doug,
I'm very sorry to hear about your situation. I'm in the airline business, too, selling safety and survival equipment to all the major carriers plus Boeing, Airbus etc.. It's been a tough year but we knew it was coming before 9/11. What do you do for your current, unspecified employer? I have some contacts in WA for a variety of jobs. Maybe I could give you some leads. Please let me know if you're interested. And don't sell the boat til you absolutely have to because you may not have to!
Best wishes-
Kathleen

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 08/26/2002 : 18:11:43

I work as a Preflight Inspector. We run engines and all systems prior to flight. Service and prep the plane including a full blown inspection of just about everything the factory has put together. If your interested in seeing what we are dealing with have a look at the I.A.M. site www.iam751.org It looks like the company id forcing a strike. Only good thing out of it all is I may get some fall sailing in before Wind Lass goes to the broker.

Doug&Ruth
Wind Lass
Tacoma Wa.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 08/26/2002 : 19:12:07

The brokers I know don't take the boat--they bring the prospective buyers to it. You own and use the boat until it's sold. That said, direct your energy and attention to your new career--not to liquidation of your avocation.

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 08/26/2002 : 19:20:55

I would like to tank you all for your support. If there is a way to hold onto Wind Lass I will. Besides I remember an old post asking about has anyone lived abaord a C-25. Worse case senario I could write an interesting post about it. Realy though thanks again.

Doug&Ruth
Wind Lass
Tacoma Wa.

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Response Posted - 08/26/2002 : 20:40:28

Doug,

Just wanted to let you know I am new to this forum, but your insightful comments were part of the reason I bought my C-250. Regardless of what happens to you or your boat I have appreciated your comments and suggestions and hope you will continue to post them. My wife is in the aviation industry and I fear our time may be coming as well. Best of luck to you and if you find yourself in Washington, DC. You have a boat to sail.

Bill Swanson

Bill Swanson
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Ray Seitz
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Response Posted - 08/27/2002 : 07:14:32

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Regardless of what happens to you or your boat I have appreciated your comments and suggestions and hope you will continue to post them. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

Diddo that. Stick around even if Wind Lass does have to go. I can think of a few people on the forum who have boats or experience other that 25/250's. Hope everything works out.

Ray Seitz C 250WB #628

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jandrus
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Response Posted - 08/27/2002 : 09:18:19

Douglas -

I'm the guy you remember living on his C25. It might actually be relevant to your situation, sort of - I wound up living on my boat because my relationship with my longterm girlfriend failed last year and I had nowhere else to go for a little while. Then I lived on because I liked it. At the time I was still in law school, making no money, servicing massive debt, and like everyone else my portfolio was about to become fancy toilet paper. My whole economic scheme had been based around the relationship. I was complete unprepared for being single.

By the end of last summer I was in an apartment and the boat was for sale. There was just no way I could buy out my former girlfriend's share. There was no way I could afford to maintain it. And I really needed the cash.

Then our collective economic world collapsed and our national confidence was destroyed and the boat didn't sell. It wasn't listed with a broker yet mind you, just in classifieds. By the end of the year I still owned a boat.

Then I found some money. Not a lot, but enough to buy out the share I didn't own. You don't need this money - you already own the boat. But I had to figure out how to hold onto the boat without the funds to operate her. At this point I couldn't even pay my yard bill.

So I found a place to keep her where I wouldn't have to pay. I'm sure among the members of this list we can come up with one for you. I have two ideas in the Seattle area I could check out for you - and I'm on the wrong side of the country. I realized it didn't have to cost me anything to own the boat if I was willing to store her for a year or two. Not fun - but I'd still have a boat. Storage can cost nothing - or if you're me very litte; I'd still insure her.

The cash value of the boat wasn't enough for me to live on for very long and would never replace her. I say this from the position of a guy two months out of school, with near six figure school debt, and entry-level job in a very small firm - e.g. I'm hand to mouth: the boat isn't worth selling.

If you need some cash you can probably get most of the value of the boat out of it by mortgaging it. With the rates as low as they are and the favorable tax deductions available if you structure the thing correctly, it almost makes sense for all of us to do.

I've been there - I do not minimize your position. In many ways my situation pales in comparison to yours. I was 26 years old, at the beginning of a career. But this I know - that boat is worth far too much to sell and not nearly enough to matter.

Good luck. Let us know how we can help.

Justin

c25 #1942 s/v tako kichi

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Ben - FL
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Response Posted - 08/29/2002 : 22:31:40

You have my condolences, Douglas.

Just remember, tough times never last but tough people do!

And that part about one door doesn't close without another opening...
It's the hallway that always scares me.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Love to hear from you on the forum. And my prayers are with you.

Safe voyages,
Ben, FL s/v Chick-a-pea C250wk

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