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Nautiduck
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Initially Posted - 05/31/2008 :  22:21:12  Show Profile
Well E-10 is now in Oregon. Luckily, they have made an allowance for certain non-road use and allow a handful of stations in our area to sell non E-10 gas. One place is at our lake so I figure I'll go that route.

On another note - sticker shock - regular gas in Eugene, Oregon is now $4.19!!


We cannot direct the winds but we can adjust our sails.
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dave holtgrave
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Response Posted - 06/01/2008 :  08:03:21  Show Profile
motors that aren't used a loit should not have the additives in it

just my two cents worth.

ethanol is just streching the basic fuel.

not good for motorcycles.

i see ethanol not as a solution but a delay until
we come up with something else.

plant development is slowing greatly when it's determined that the margin of profit is so minimum that it's not worth the investment or risk.

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KD4AO
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Response Posted - 06/01/2008 :  08:07:31  Show Profile
Does Oregon still require service station attendant to pump gas?

Here is a cute little tale I heard the other day. "LAST WEEKEND MY WIFE SAID SHE WOULD LIKE TO GO SOMEWHERE EXPENSIVE..........SO I TOOK HERE TO THE GAS STATION".

Happy Summer!
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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 06/01/2008 :  09:06:06  Show Profile
Yes, Oregon and New Jersey are the only two states where you cannot pump your own gas. Our travels, though, indicate that the self-pump states are no cheaper. Personally, I prefer to pump my own but it does provide jobs.
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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 06/01/2008 :  09:24:38  Show Profile
>"regular gas in Eugene, Oregon is now $4.19!!"

The forecast is for the the price to rise until it reaches parity with the European markets. [when demand > supply allocations go to the highest bidder]

Depending on how far the dollar collapses, that will be somewhere around $8-$10 per gallon.

Plan accordingly. On the bright side, sailing may become very popular.
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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 06/01/2008 :  10:55:57  Show Profile
The dollar is part of it--the bigger part is the higher taxes European countries levy on gas and diesel, and plow back into their rail systems, bicycle lanes, and other worthy alternatives. If you've ridden the rails in Europe, you know what that's done--we're a quarter century behind and getting behinder. Taxes are also why CT has one of the highest average gas prices, and as soon as I stop cringing at the pump, [politics] I come to my senses and say that's what we need. Americans won't shake their Arabian/Venezuelan oil habit unless they're shaken out of it by being shaken down at pump--on a regular basis. The "holiday" is like "just a shot" for an alcoholic. [/politics]
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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 06/01/2008 :  11:26:50  Show Profile
Bruce, I agree with your supply-demand reasoning but bear in mind that the Europeans tax their fuel at around 70% while we tax our at 11%. Result is that the price to the end user will still be quite a bit less here. Maybe $6/gallon? Dealers around here can't hardly give SUVs away and the place is swarming with Prius's!

I was at the lake yesterday and a fellow coasted in by my slip on a jet ski. We got to chatting. He has a Catalina 30 in Portland, 110 miles away. Here he was jet skiing around the local lake, perhaps because the round trip to his boat would be so expensive. I expect lots of lifestyle changes for many many people. I'm also feeling very thankful to have a great sailing lake just 15 miles from my house.
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