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528
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Initially Posted - 06/16/2008 :  07:01:27  Show Profile
Here is my version of a riding sail. I made it from an old windsurfing sail head. You cannot believe how effective these are unless you are using one already. It is a definate "Top Ten" mod. I used 4 small caribeaners to hank on the backstay. Clip the bottom to the stay eye, raise with main halyard and secure to the winch after cleating the halyard. 45 seconds to a more restful night! As luck would have it, since the backstay is offset, I also have an unobstructed cockpit.
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Response Posted - 06/16/2008 :  08:57:37  Show Profile
Dave looks like you been busy !!! ,

I like it !
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528
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Response Posted - 06/16/2008 :  10:17:27  Show Profile
Yea, alot of these mods were over the last two years. I wanted to make sure they were keepers before posting. Yesterday became post'em day!
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Response Posted - 06/18/2008 :  08:55:19  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by 528</i>
<br />Yea, alot of these mods were over the last two years. I wanted to make sure they were keepers before posting. Yesterday became post'em day!
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Nice mods! I also made a riding sail, not in response to swinging at anchor, which doesn't bother me, but in response to riding out the 75mph downburst winds of a thunderstorm.

Made it by cutting and sewing together the 3 overlapped corners of an old roller furling jib left on my boat with hank on sails. It has 3 very heavy reinforced corners and will work fine the next time I make the mistake of staying out when the sky turns black.

Your riding sail looks like a good solution to the problem of swinging. Happy anchoring!
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MartinJW
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Response Posted - 06/16/2009 :  21:54:35  Show Profile
After sailing her for one season, we REALLY love our C-250. We especially like to "camp out" on various spots on Lake Tahoe.

The only issue that I'd like to address is the fact that she tacks like crazy at anchor. It's actually a pretty gentle motion, and we sleep just fine throught it, but we'd feel better if she'd settle down a bit.

I'm <i>considering</i> (<i>I haven't bought this YET</i>) the Banner Bay Marine Fin Delta #1 sail: https://www.bannerbaymarine.com/store/index.php?action=item& id=24& prevaction=category& previd=5& prevstart=0; has anyone tried this with a C-250wk?

Any other suggestions or experience that anyone would like to share?

As always, THANKS!

-Martin
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Response Posted - 06/17/2009 :  11:18:40  Show Profile  Visit essen48183's Homepage
nice mod!

I couldn't help but notice the cam cleat under the catbird seat. It is the same color and size as the jib sheet in another picture. Is that a jib sheet led aft? If so, how does that placement work out for you? I'm kicking around several ideas for doing similar. What would you change if you were to do it again? Do you find blocks on the stancion/handrail unnecessary?
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528
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Response Posted - 06/17/2009 :  18:27:19  Show Profile
I love the placement. I can single hand the boat from the helm. We had a discussion last year about leverage etc. It should be in the archives. You definitely need turning blocks to reduce friction. My unorthodox mounting with springs was to be temporary, but they have remained useful. There should also be a pic somewhere in the forum, of the furling control line led aft.

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http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13676

http://www.catalina-capri-25s.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13927
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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 06/17/2009 :  18:27:57  Show Profile  Visit Arlyn Stewart's Homepage
Martin... the fin delta looks to be a good design. Noise can be an issue and the trend in riding sails is to go either delta or an off center positioned sail to hold the boat on one tack. The delta of course will allow both tacks but will reduce the degree.

I've used a self made delta with some success though it did not have the fin. It limited anchor hunt by about 40%. Another 40% gain from an anchor rode bridle. I've been forced to anchor while cruising the Great Lakes where when the boat shifted full out on a tack, the rolling motion would literally throw a V berth occupant against the hull side and ya can't sleep through that.

This happened one night and the riding sail was still not limiting the motion enough...we were miserable. In desperation, I remembered something I'd thought of trying a year or so earlier and opened the forward hatch and on my knees made a bridle in the anchor rode and cleated it to both forward cleats. Back below, the boat was no longer reaching far enough in its swing to encounter the surf and roll and my wife asked, what had I just done and why hadn't I done it an hour ago?

http://pages.suddenlink.net/arlyn/sailing/riding.html
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Response Posted - 06/17/2009 :  19:58:10  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Arlyn Stewart</i>
<br />Martin... the fin delta looks to be a good design. Noise can be an issue and the trend in riding sails is to go either delta or an off center positioned sail to hold the boat on one tack. The delta of course will allow both tacks but will reduce the degree.

I've used a self made delta with some success though it did not have the fin. It limited anchor hunt by about 40%. Another 40% gain from an anchor rode bridle. I've been forced to anchor while cruising the Great Lakes where when the boat shifted full out on a tack, the rolling motion would literally throw a V berth occupant against the hull side and ya can't sleep through that.

This happened one night and the riding sail was still not limiting the motion enough...we were miserable. In desperation, I remembered something I'd thought of trying a year or so earlier and opened the forward hatch and on my knees made a bridle in the anchor rode and cleated it to both forward cleats. Back below, the boat was no longer reaching far enough in its swing to encounter the surf and roll and my wife asked, what had I just done and why hadn't I done it an hour ago?

http://pages.suddenlink.net/arlyn/sailing/riding.html
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Thanks, Arlyn.

As always, this is great stuff.

I'm going to buy/try the Banner Bay Marine Fin Delta #1 sail AND I'm going to set up a bridle for the anchor.

Thanks again,
Martin
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britinusa
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Response Posted - 06/20/2009 :  18:42:42  Show Profile  Visit britinusa's Homepage
We have the Riding sail made from a kit at Sailrite, and it does make a huge difference.
I hoist it on the main halyard, the tack is secured to a line that runs down the backstay to the port catbird seat. The clew (fwd) is secured to the stbd babystay shackle on the lifeline stancion.

On our last trip, without the riding sail we swung around about 85-90 degrees, with the riding sail we swung maybe 15-20 degrees.

Paul
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