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MartinJW
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Initially Posted - 06/22/2008 : 23:52:14

Mrs. Kali really likes the openness of the V berth, but she's a little concerned that we'll actually be sleeping with our heads lower than our feet, and this can cause some problems nowadays (acid reflux, etc.).

The aft berth may be a little closer to horizontal, but it seems a little claustrophobic to her, so she asked "WHERE do other couples sleep on their C-250s?"

So, my question to you is:

Which is it - V or aft berth?

Thanks!

Martin

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 06/23/2008 : 00:23:14

Both. When we sleep in the V-berth our feet are forward. No problem. When we sleep in the aft we sleep head at starboard and feet at port. Some people have added opening ports in the aft area.

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Response Posted - 06/23/2008 : 06:30:10

No room left in the aft berth

The admiral likes the v-berth feet fwd. I like to sleep with my head under the open fwd hatch.

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Response Posted - 06/23/2008 : 09:03:09

If I were sleeping alone, I would use the V berth with my head under the hatch. With my wife, we fit better with our feet forward. I bought a "down-the-hatch" ventilator sail thing from WM and it does funnel alot more air ...down the hatch.

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Response Posted - 06/23/2008 : 09:37:49

since I have added ports in the aft berth it the aft berth for me. I usually sail alone, but when I do have visitors I put them in the v

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 06/23/2008 : 11:26:13

Mark, what size ports did you go with in the aft area? This is a project I want to do this summer. I know Tom Potter went with 4X10 and am wondering if it work work to go a bit bigger. Got photos??

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Ray Seitz
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Response Posted - 06/23/2008 : 12:44:26

Aft berth mostly because I added Lewmar ports & it is a large berth. When we sleep in vberth we sleep with heads to the bow.

Randy I think our ports are the 4X12 & I am pretty sure you could use the 4X14 that Lewmar has (a quick search of West and defender did not yield much info on sizes. I am unsure what sizes they have now). I always wished I had because a real nice breeze seems to come in - I guess from the open Transom.

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 06/23/2008 : 14:31:11

So far we've always slept in the aft berth, feet towards the galley. That way either of us can get up in the middle of the night w/o unduly disturbing the other. I think if it were very hot we'd move to the V-berth. BTW I too sometimes suffer from acid reflux, but don't recall it ever happening on the boat. If I'm going to be eating something I know has a tendency to cause it (spaghetti, curry, etc), I'll take one of the acid reducers about half an hour before eating, which works wonderfully.

I want to put in opening ports, but Rita doesn't like the idea. If you're going to do so, check out Beckson's site, they generally have tons of them on sale for really nice prices compared to Lewmar, etc.

I also plan to get a Chute Scoop (I think that's what it's called) for the forward hatch.

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Response Posted - 06/23/2008 : 15:06:43

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Nautiduck
 Mark, what size ports did you go with in the aft area? This is a project I want to do this summer. I know Tom Potter went with 4X10 and am wondering if it work work to go a bit bigger. Got photos??
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I went with Lewmar Atlantic Size 10 (6 7/8 x 12) Smoke Grey with Silver Frame. They are more expensive than the Bowmar, but they fit flush so no trimming required.

I'm sitting in Louisville KY at the moment for work, but will be down on Persephone this weekend and will get you some pictures.

Edited by - mhartong on 06/23/2008 15:08:19

Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 06/23/2008 : 15:45:26

Yikes, those Lewmar Atlantic 10's are $415!!

I need to stick with Beckson if I want to stay married.

How thick is the area (outside face to inside face) where these portlights get installed? Beckson has two size depths (1" and 2"). I am guessing that the 1" would do it but am not sure. The area sounds hollow when rapped.

Edited by - Nautiduck on 06/23/2008 16:12:54

mhartong
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Response Posted - 06/23/2008 : 16:14:27

I need to stick with Beckson if I want to stay married. [;) <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> I got them as salvage... $115 each ( though no fly screen

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piseas
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Response Posted - 06/23/2008 : 18:14:35

Where do I sleep? Where ever I feel like it! Its 50/50. Summers I prefer under the open hatch. When I have guests, I give them first choice. ( I am a nice guy).
Steve A

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 06/23/2008 : 20:48:27

We use the aft berth. We raise the hatch, install the cover, raise the ladder (this allows for potty breaks without disturbing the significant other) and turn on the air conditioning. The air is installed in the forward hatch with a chute down and a 12volt box fan blowing aft. About two hours running and then turn it off. Temperature in the aft berth 70. Outside air usually 85 or above when it is turned on. The V-berth is primary storage. Under the hatch we have two batteries and a additional 12 gallon water tank which adds up to 202 lbs. When you add that to the other items of gear and spare anchor I have not needed to add additional weight.

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kbq
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Response Posted - 06/24/2008 : 16:42:56

Aft. We put a "memory foam" mattress topper, king size, on top of the cushions. Add some fuzzy sheets, and we have a real nest back there...

We used to sleep in the V, but got tired of putting everything away each day.

Note, we "camp aboard" for a good portion of the week to cut our commutes.

Kevin
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AADIVER
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Response Posted - 06/25/2008 : 11:12:44

Steve, please give us the construction specs on that neat white sunshade you have over the boom. I want one, too!

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Response Posted - 06/25/2008 : 15:34:50

The shade is made by Taylor, called Anchor Shade. Its 6 x 6 and covers the entire cockpit. You can re-adjust it, depending where the sun is. You cant sail with it but motoring is ok in light winds. I paid about $125 for it on sale at WM.
Steve A

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Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 06/25/2008 : 16:04:29

With a WB adults sleeping aft is pretty much out of the question.

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Response Posted - 06/26/2008 : 07:24:59

We Sleep with 4 people on board.

11 year old gets the Vee. She is at an age where she needs privacy, and besides with the door shut, the parents can stay up later.

Wife and Baby share the aft berth, room for her to nurse the little guy back there.

Dad gets the settee. Dads always get the bum deal.

If I am on the boat alone, I like th eVee berth, but I lie across it. I like to sleep almost sitting up with a load of support behind my back and head, and the contour of the hull up there is almost perfect for me.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 06/27/2008 : 12:02:08

Wife likes the V, I and we (pre sleeping) use the fold out starboard settee created by the previous owner. I would like the quarter, but is is mostly storage since chris uses the V.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 06/27/2008 : 13:46:43

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave5041
 ....I and we (pre sleeping)....<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Edited by - Nautiduck on 06/27/2008 13:47:20

Ray Seitz
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Response Posted - 07/02/2008 : 13:06:25

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">With a WB adults sleeping aft is pretty much out of the question.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Steve we always sleep in the aft berth. Guess it is just a matter what your willing to put up with. Since the potty break topic was breached, I always get the short straw being the lowest ranked person on board and have to sleep on the port side - to use the head I actually crawl out between the ladder and head bulkhead. Necessity makes one turn into Harry Houdini.

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Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 07/02/2008 : 16:15:03

My goodness Ray, there's not even 1 foot there is it? Sometimes I wish we could remove the ladder somehow. But I think the ladder serves as support for the cockpit. That would be a really nice mod if we could achieve it. If support is an issue we could put a single support post there and lift the ladder upwards.

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 07/02/2008 : 20:26:05

I do not think the ladder provides any support. In the WK it is on hinges and we raise and lock it up prior to entering the aft birth. Of course the wing has an additional 9 inches of headroom so I don't know if that would make a difference. I am surprised someone has not come up with a way to make it a quick disconnect for removal to ease the entry into the aft birth of the WB.

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Response Posted - 07/02/2008 : 21:20:13

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by frog0911
 .... come up with a way to make it a quick disconnect for removal to ease the entry into the aft birth of the WB.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I thought of that but figured that you'd then just have to find a storage spot. I would like to have a better way to secure it when it's up other than Arlyn's favorite product though. Particularly when the pop top is not up.

BTW, the Admiral and I get the aft when the family's along. When I'm alone, I prefer the V. We tried it athwartship for the first time last night. I got the aft position. I was surprised to find that although I'm not very tall, I thought it too short a space. I think it had more to do with the curve of the hull than the width of the boat.

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 07/03/2008 : 08:41:32

Since removal would primarily be during sleeping hours storage should not be a problem. Just put it forward of the head and your in business. I very seldom raise the ladder during times when the top is down. Once anchored the top goes up, the cover goes on and the steps go up at bed time. I am very seldom in the aft berth anytime except for sleeping or setting up the electrical switches for shore power and battery charging.

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 07/03/2008 : 09:32:06

What we do is tilt the ladder up & put our short boat pole underneath the rungs on top of the hatch slide, angled so it will fit under the canvas (or at least I think it will, we've never actually used to canvas yet). I rotate the hook down into the channel to make it somewhat more secure. It's not perfect & if we were rocking & rolling I don't think I'd bother.

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