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SJ
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Initially Posted - 07/07/2008 : 10:44:17

Major steaming this past weekend....My outboard was stolen right off the boat. Cut the lock!! ARGH! Question, Obviously need new motor. Looking online and found a 9.9Tohatsu for just under 2K from a company called onlineoutboards.com Anyone ever delt with these folks and then second question I can't remember if I had a 20 or 25" shaft. What do you guys have???

Thanks, Scott

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Stardog
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Response Posted - 07/07/2008 : 10:56:23

I bought my outboard from them, they're easy to deal with. The motor arrived on-time, packaged properly and the price was reasonable.

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 07/07/2008 : 10:58:49

I think you get a discount if you buy through this association. Not sure how that works, though. I think Paul (BritinUSA) just bought one from them a few weeks ago.

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Stardog
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Response Posted - 07/07/2008 : 11:06:52

Forgot to recommend a good lock. I use one of these
http://www.masterlocks.com/outboardmotorlock.htm
Nothing is 100% theft-proof, but this one is really hard to cut off; the shanks of the hoop cannot be reached with a saw or bolt cutter, the top of the hoop is flattened and recessed into the bar so the only way to cut it off is by cutting through the bar with a saw. A thief is going to pass it up for something easier to steal.

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PZell
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Response Posted - 07/07/2008 : 11:33:10

I have used that type before and had the locks freeze up on me. I am able to get the bar off in 30 secs or less. I won't tell you how.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 07/07/2008 : 11:38:16

I got mine from online outboards, no problems. Remember, you will be commissioning the engine yourself.

Go to the members only section of this web site and you can find out about the discount.

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Stardog
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Response Posted - 07/07/2008 : 11:39:15

If you can get these off in 30 seconds, I think you should post it on the forum so people can figure out how to deal with it.

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piseas
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Response Posted - 07/07/2008 : 11:58:33

Scott, sorry to hear about motor. Where do you keep boat and had anyone else had problems with theft. Also what kind of lock did you have. Good luck.
Steve A

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SJ
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Response Posted - 07/07/2008 : 12:02:44

I keep the boat in Northport harbor, NY. The deal is that I am the 7th motor this year....so far! ARGH. I think I am going with the 25" shaft, and a much bigger lock and maybe a minigun strapped the the mast!

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Chris Z
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Response Posted - 07/07/2008 : 12:15:51

Found this online. Pretty good ideas!!

http://www.diy-boat.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=100

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 07/07/2008 : 12:20:08

Too bad there's not some kind of device that would render the motor useless if not properly removed.

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Stardog
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Response Posted - 07/07/2008 : 12:26:03

Good write-up Chris, it gets right to the point. Everyone I know who has had an engine stolen had a chain, or a cable that could be cut with a single snip from a bolt cutter. Thieves want something they can get quickly and quietly so they can get out of there right away. They'll skip over anything requiring a saw or any other noisy removal method. Also they mostly show up in boats so they don't have to carry it back up the docks and load it in a vehicle.

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Even Chance
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Response Posted - 07/07/2008 : 12:32:24

There are dozens of threads in the archives about onlineoutboards, and debates about which outboard is better (with no clear conclusion, which rather makes the point).

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 07/07/2008 : 15:42:50

You would think that someone by now has designed a vinyl cover that makes the motor look like a piece of doo doo!
I have heard of folks painting the engine in dayglow colors, by hand, making lots of drips. But would that make JD look rugly!

Paul

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tinob
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Response Posted - 07/07/2008 : 16:05:11

Scott,

I use long ss bolts to secure the motor to its mount then wrap the threads with Duck tape. It just slows them down, nothing is fool proof. years ago in Lindenhurst some thieves took the motor with transom (chainsaw I guess)on a boat whose motor was overly protected. Some thieves like a challenge.

Val on Calista # 3936, Patchogue, N.Y.

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Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 07/07/2008 : 16:36:54

Boy does that ever suck!

The problem with thieves is that they know you'll go out and buy a new engine. They wait a bit then steal the new engine. What motor manufacturers need to do is a digital proximity lock like Honda keys. The key is encoded digitally and emits a code to the engine. Both have to match for the engine to start. Making a copy of the key or trying to hack the system is useless. I'm pretty sure people would pay the extra $500 for this and it would probably be a good marketing idea for manufacturers in the small engine market.

Unfortunately creating such a device as a retro fit solution will not work since removing the device and plugging in the wires as original would be a work around. The digital device needs to be embedded somehow and totally required for the engine to start. For example the digital device would need to be part of the electronic timing chip, both would work together.

I see a big sticker on the back saying something like "Will not run without digital Key." with a big anti theft logo or something.

Edited by - Steve Blackburn on 07/07/2008 16:43:01

John Russell
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Response Posted - 07/07/2008 : 17:17:33

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Steve Blackburn
 I'm pretty sure people would pay the extra $500 .....
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> ... vs the deductible on the boat insurance? I don't think so.

I'd rather take my chances that I won't be among the hundreds that are robbed out of the tens of thousands of motors out there. If my luck doesn't hold, then I'll pay the $500.

I just think they could do it for a lot less than that.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 07/07/2008 : 17:17:45

I guess that is one advantage to an inboard, tough to steal.

Here is another good article.

[url="http://www.sailmag.com/boatworks/BW8-Locks.pdf"]sailmag article[/url]

Edited by - Nautiduck on 07/07/2008 17:22:26

osmepneo
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Response Posted - 07/07/2008 : 20:02:06

Nothing that hasn't been said:

I bought my Nissan 9.8 2 stroke (one of the very last ones sold) from online outboards, and they were easy to deal with, arrived when they said it would, etc, etc, etc. Just as others have said.

I'd recommend the extra long shaft.

Sorry about the pain of having to replace you o/b because the old one was stolen.

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 07/07/2008 : 20:05:25

"I use long ss bolts to secure the motor to its mount then wrap the threads with Duck tape"

7/16" bolts with left hand threads will slow 'em down a bit.

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 07/07/2008 : 21:29:36

I use a HD Chain run through a piece of bicycle tire tube and a HD motorcycle cable. Different types of locks on each. I'm told that the tire tube protects the boat and OB from chain damage and has the added benefit of making it a little more difficult to use bolt cutters on. Using a cable and a chain can also dissuade the less ambitious thieves.

Main change this year; I painted the OB with big blotches of car touch up paint, red and white.
This OB can be stolen, it won't be easy...to get off the transom or to fence.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 07/07/2008 : 22:56:22

Tough break, Scott. Sorry about your loss. I bought a 9.8 elec. start 25" shaft Nissan from Onlineoutboards this past year and couldn't be happier with the purchase. Smooth transaction all the way.

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Response Posted - 07/08/2008 : 08:12:04

I think Clam's got it: left-handed bolts! Drove me crazy trying to fix a toilet recently!

Scott: Are you on a mooring? If in a slip, are you bow-in? Stern-in could prevent thieves on boats... And Hondas and Yamahas are harder to handle--one of them 'bout killed me!

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SJ
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Response Posted - 07/08/2008 : 12:40:43

Thanks for all the info guys....I'm going to call them today an order the 25" shaft 9.8 with electric start btw...Much better than pull pull pull curse pul pull...etc Boat was on a mooring...and my own fault, should of had a better lock set-up....Thanks again!

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redeye
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Response Posted - 07/09/2008 : 11:21:11

They sell a sign from the Ft.Benning area store Ranger Joes that reads:

"If you can read this our sniper can drop you."

Almost as good as a left handed thread.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 07/09/2008 : 12:32:00

Just had a thought (one of those days):
I used to have a car that took a special wrench to remove the wheel cover to change tires. I wonder if it is possible to get an automobile wheel lug bolt and one of those lug nuts that takes a special matching wrench and run that bolt through the motor bracket and mounting board. Anyone ever tried that? Would the bolt be long enough?

Edited by - dmpilc on 07/09/2008 12:32:41

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