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johnsonp
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Initially Posted - 08/17/2008 : 02:12:31

http://www.catalinayachts.com/yachts.cfm?act=model& id=17

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 08/17/2008 : 07:32:55

Did you notice that the mast raising is being done using the halyard at the mast head and not using the mast raising strap below the spreaders?

Not sure if the mast spar is the same weight as on earlier models.

And... note in their pics it shows that the stern is restrained (blue straps) but the bow isn't. Many of us have experienced the feeling that the bow is rising when climbing on the ladder while on the trailer. We remove the stern strap as soon as we get to the marina, but we leave the bow strap in place until we have raised the mast. (In fact we actually launched one time with the strap still in place

fortunately it released from the trailer once the stern rose off the bunks and no harm done)

That floor makes the cabin look huge! Anyone got that floor? pros-n-cons?

Paul

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 08/17/2008 : 11:37:55

Paul, where are you seeing photos of the mast being raised? The link just takes me to the C250 home page.

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johnsonp
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Response Posted - 08/17/2008 : 13:35:51

I noticed the trailer had electric brakes.
Same old swim ladder but new engine well.

Sure took Catalina a long time to update the ad....I would check once a week.

paulj

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Russ.Johnson
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Response Posted - 08/17/2008 : 18:39:58

The mast raising photo are of a water ballast boat so it's only on the water ballast link.

The old photos had wing keel interior for both models.
The new photos have the water ballast interior for both models.
The cabin height, stairs, and centerboard trunk with table are different between the models.

[url="http://www.catalinayachts.com/yachts.cfm?act=model&id=16&link=photos"]Water Ballast photos[/url]
[url="http://www.catalinayachts.com/yachts.cfm?act=model&id=17&link=photos"]Wing Keel photos[/url]

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MartinJW
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Response Posted - 08/19/2008 : 00:07:20

I posted this as a new topic ("Newer C-250s: Poorer Quality?") in the C-250 Specific Forum, but I'll repeat that post here:

Our 2008 C-250 (mkII, #973) is, I believe, one of the first C-250s to be built in Florida (after being built in southern California for about the past 12-13 years). This boat also features a different manufacturer for the spars than the boats built in California. I have a couple of concerns/issues that I am going to share with Catalina, but I thought that this information could be helpful for the members here, too.

#1. We attempted to use the cabin table for the first time this past week. However, under very slight pressure the table became disconnected from the fitting that slides over the table support - the screws easily pulled out from the tabletop; the failure was instantaneous. The fitting was connected to the tabletop with 3/8" or possibly 1/2" screws, which were completely inadequate for this purpose; probably 1" screws would have been appropriate. I don't know if this is a quality control / manufacturing issue or a design problem, but it was not very impressive to set up the brand-new table only to have it come crashing down as we placed a board game on the surface.

#2. Despite the fact that there is a switch on the electrical panel labeled "DECK", there is no deck light on our boat. Again, I'm not sure if this was an oversight during manufacturing or Catalina has eliminated this feature. (On our 2007 C-18, the deck light was incorporated into the steaming light on the mast.)

#3. There are about a half dozen small pieces of red tape inside our cabin; each piece of red tape is near a small "glitch" in the finish. It appears that these pieces of tape were used to identify defects during manufacturing, but the boat was delivered with these blemishes unfixed (and easily located!). Again, this is NOT very impressive.

#4. There are, I believe, supposed to be 3 cam-type cleats at the tack end of the boom. These secure the first reefing line, the second reef, and the outhaul. Upon closer inspection, it appears that two of these cams are missing. (Also near the tack end of the boom, U.S. Spars has placed some sort of manufacturer's placard/sticker - on our boat this sticker is MOUNTED UPSIDE DOWN.) Again, U.S. Spar and/or Catalina are nonplussed by this sloppy work.

#5. Both the galley and head sink water pumps leak during use. The galley sink leaks at the countertop and the head sink water pump leaks underneath the sink. It looks like I was able to fix these, but these minor problems added to our overall irritation with Catalina.

I'll keep the members informed as this unfolds.

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MartinJW
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Response Posted - 08/19/2008 : 00:18:28

Note that this brochure (http://www.catalinayachts.com/pdf/Bay_c250.pdf) indicates "Printed in the U.S.A. 4.99", "Effective 12.16.00", and "Not Valid after 05.31.01". One would think that if Catalina was updating the pictures that they might as well update the specifications, too. Hello!? It's 2008, folks!

According to our dealer, the stove and "pop-top enclosure" are now OPTIONS and no longer standard equipment (for the 2008 model).

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mhartong
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Response Posted - 08/19/2008 : 06:30:02

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by MartinJW
 Note that this brochure (http://www.catalinayachts.com/pdf/Bay_c250.pdf) indicates "Printed in the U.S.A. 4.99", "Effective 12.16.00", and "Not Valid after 05.31.01". One would think that if Catalina was updating the pictures that they might as well update the specifications, too. Hello!? It's 2008, folks!

According to our dealer, the stove and "pop-top enclosure" are now OPTIONS and no longer standard equipment (for the 2008 model).

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

The fact that even have the list at all is, well, different. Other models don't include it with their on line brochure. I think if you think back, Catalina has not really been big on "advertising". It was the longest time before one started seeing advertisements in the major sailing magazines. It is probably going to take them a while the fact that people really do use the Web to sink in.

My belief is a lot of the changes between the 2007 and 2008 models were done to try and keep costs down (both in terms of ensuring their own profit, but also in terms of affordability to buyers) Many of the "omissions" are things that can be added at a later point in time. As it stands now, a new C250 is on the order of $40k (which I know for me is more than pocket change

) I think they realize that a lot of people just can't afford their bigger boats. Consider their next least expensive model is the C28 Mk II, which is going for over twice the price of a new C250. .

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 08/19/2008 : 08:54:53

Would be interested in seeing some pictures of this table support setup. On my 04 model my table sits on top of a 3" pole mounted on the floor and is totally removal. The only thing remaining after table and post removal is the base. Mine does not slide at all, it sits on top of the pole, so am guessing Catalina has changed the mounting setup.

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MartinJW
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Response Posted - 08/19/2008 : 13:25:07

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by frog0911
 Would be interested in seeing some pictures of this table support setup. On my 04 model my table sits on top of a 3" pole mounted on the floor and is totally removal. The only thing remaining after table and post removal is the base. Mine does not slide at all, it sits on top of the pole, so am guessing Catalina has changed the mounting setup.
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Good question. I'll post a picture sometime.

On the underside of the table, there's a round support that is exactly the same as the base, I think. The ~3" diameter leg fits into the base on the floor and the round support on the underside of the table itself. The base seems to be securely mounted to the floor of the cabin, but the tabletop end was mounted using very short screws. Additionally, the tabletop appears to be made of a particle board material (or similar), which is fine, but the screws couldn't hold at all. I gently pressed on the edge of the table, and the tabletop separated from the underside fitting, and the whole thing came crashing down.

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MartinJW
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Response Posted - 08/19/2008 : 13:29:08

[quote]
The fact that even have the list at all is, well, different. Other models don't include it with their on line brochure. I think if you think back, Catalina has not really been big on "advertising". It was the longest time before one started seeing advertisements in the major sailing magazines. It is probably going to take them a while the fact that people really do use the Web to sink in.

My belief is a lot of the changes between the 2007 and 2008 models were done to try and keep costs down (both in terms of ensuring their own profit, but also in terms of affordability to buyers) Many of the "omissions" are things that can be added at a later point in time. As it stands now, a new C250 is on the order of $40k (which I know for me is more than pocket change

) I think they realize that a lot of people just can't afford their bigger boats. Consider their next least expensive model is the C28 Mk II, which is going for over twice the price of a new C250. .
[quote]

Good points, and all well-taken.

Thanks,
Martin

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 08/19/2008 : 22:44:40

What you describe is exactly the same as mine. The table base on mine uses #12 one inch screws to hold it in place. I have not had a problem with it coming loose. You are correct the table is particle board with a pretty cover cemented to it. One of these days I will build a new one that folds.

Edited by - frog0911 on 08/19/2008 22:45:22

Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/20/2008 : 13:03:20

So where is the backstay this time?

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piseas
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Response Posted - 08/20/2008 : 15:35:00

Frank, on the 1st of 6 pictures, I think I see a backstay but the others sure look like its missing. Anybody got better eyes or seen one first hand? Maybe we can remove ours too!
Steve A

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crystal_blue
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Response Posted - 08/20/2008 : 17:27:48

It's there--look at the top-right pic--and it attaches on the port side, by the swim ladder.

--Jim

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