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JimB517
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Initially Posted - 09/12/2008 : 12:19:40

Yes, we are entered in the Cortez Racing Association race around the Coronado Islands (Mexico) tomorrow (Saturday 9/13). I've been doing well in the All-Catalina races, lets see if we can hold up in a race with big sport boats. In this race last year, I placed 7th out of 14 in PHRF class 5 (150 and up) and was the last boat in.

Charlie Roberts (sterngucker) is crew for the day.

Also

My official entry is mailed for the San Diego - Ensenada race Oct. 3 and 4. The 65 mile, overnight, ocean race should be exciting. Joe Wergers (Sloop Smitten) is crew and we are going in the PHRF spinnaker double handed division. Double handing this distance overnight is grueling and not many people are up to it. I believe if we even finish the race - we will at least place.

We'll keep you posted.

Those of you dodging a hurricane while we are drinking beer and sailing around a rock 15 miles out in the ocean - you have my sympathy and I even feel a little guilty. Good luck!

Indiscipline 1978 FK SR #398

Edited by - JimB517 on 09/18/2008 22:57:58

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Response Posted - 09/12/2008 : 13:19:41

All the best Jim! Here's hoping you do well.

Up here in the north we are having our wrap-up regatta this weekend, the "Georgina Cup." I am going in holding 3rd place in the series, but expect about 14 or 15 boats on the line. I have to place pretty high to beat out the competition, and hold on to 3rd place.

The series ends on Sunday, but my son is having his christening that day, so I miss th elast race of the series. This puts on even more pressure for the Saturday Race. Not only do I have to place far enough ahead of th efleet to holdd my place, I have no chance of reprieve since my last race will be a bye.

I haven't actually placed first in a series race. It would be a nice way to finish the year.

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zeil
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Response Posted - 09/12/2008 : 19:09:36

Jim and Chris: Good luck to both of you...
Glad to see that you have your priorities in line Chris!

Enjoy and make history

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smoken
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Response Posted - 09/12/2008 : 21:17:24

Jim, good luck in the race. I get the feeling you'll do fine. Our poor coast is in the process of being hammered and we're still a couple hours away from it hitting shore. It is estimated to hit our area, noon to mid night tomorrow. You should be well into your six pac by then. Keep GaryB in your thoughts, it looks like his marina could float right off their post!!!

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 09/12/2008 : 22:37:03

Go the Indicipline!

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Keith D.
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Response Posted - 09/14/2008 : 12:10:30

Jim I took a couple of pictures of you as we passed you in the early part of the race before the wind picked up. Thought you might in joy them. It was an interesting day, overcast and flat sea with 4-5 knots of wind for the first 3 hours and then the sun broke through and the wind went up to an instant 10-12 knots and kept building. We put our a-sail up as soon as we got wind but we were on a close reach and it had to come down as the wind built to over 17 knots. Once we got around behind the island and got to a beam reach we were able to put the a-sail back up until our turn in-between the islands. The winds held the rest of the day and we held hull speed or better the entire way back. So what looked to be a bleak day turned out to be fun.
Maybe I will see you in Ensenada. This will be my 4th straight year, so far we got a 3rd , a 4th, and last year a 2nd in our class so we need the first. Hopefully this year.

Keith

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 09/14/2008 : 13:37:38

Keith, wow, thanks, I love that last shot! What boat were you on? We'll certainly meet up in Ensenada!

Report and my photos to come soon.

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Keith D.
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Response Posted - 09/14/2008 : 21:24:00

Jim

Of course it has to be a Catalina; a Catalina 36 called Rippin out of Southwestern yacht club. We actually passed you by so close that we said hi to each other, you may remember us. While you are down in Ensenada I hope you also signed up for the Islas de Todos Santos Regatta. It is put on by the Mexican Yacht Cub on the Sunday after the Ensenada race and is around Todos Santos Island there in the Bay of Ensenada. There is an after race party that is top notch and not to be missed at the best steak house in Ensenada. The race is interesting in that there is some of everything in the race from a Hobie 16 to a barge. There are two local Catalina 22’s which you will not beat. Even with our water line we only caught one of them. If you need more information on the Islas de Todos Santos Regatta I can get it for you; it is worth staying the extra day. We usually go to the party and go back to the boat and motor back Sunday night while the sea is smooth. I will email you a full JPEG of the last picture, I think I can do it via the association.

Keith

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 09/17/2008 : 14:01:34

Results added. We placed 7th. We were 20 minutes out of first. We beat 3 boats. Click here to see all the details.

Photos and web site update is in the works.

http://www.cortezracing.com/CRA2008/2008Coronados_Results.htm

2nd to last boat in. Over 2 hours behind the fastest boats. About 30 minutes behind the Catalina 30's (32.5 miles raced). Average speed 4.3 knots. Best Catalina 30 averaged 4.6 knots.

Edited by - JimB517 on 09/17/2008 17:58:24

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Response Posted - 09/17/2008 : 14:20:45

Good job on the race jim - sounds like you had a good time.

Our race also went well. Results are here:
[url="http://www.byc.on.ca/results/2008/lsis/whitehi09.html"]LSIS Race 9 results[/url]

We finished 3rd out of a dozen boats. 20 seconds out of second place (Damn Newfie Screach!) and about 2-1/2 minutes out of first. Of course most of the fleet was from my home club (we hosted) and I knew some of their tricks. What I wasn't ready for was two boats that thought match racing was more fun than fleet racing. I had a hard time shaking them, but they ended up finishing way back in the fleet anyway.

The folks on Stardust took a couple of shots of us. I kinda like them:
[url="http://picasaweb.google.com/sailgeorgina/GeorginaCup2008#5246791443564922386"]Georgina Cup pics[/url] If you use the arrows at the top of the page you can sift through the gallery, but that link takes you right to the best pic of our boat.

On the series I ended up about 5 points out of third place. I shoulda skipped the christening!

Edited by - Prospector on 09/17/2008 14:28:59

Keith D.
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Response Posted - 09/17/2008 : 18:33:25

Jim Thanks for the results looks like we were 6 out of 15 boats. We should have gone north as soon as we hit Point Loma but it looked like a dead spot there so we headed south. We were forced to go south much longer than we wanted because of the navy sub coming in and the home land security running around it. With the light wind we weren’t sure we could get in front of it in time and did not want to get forced by home land security to motor out of the way. Also the $1000.00 fine for getting too close to the sub made us not try to tack in front of it. By the time the sub got out of the way we were way off course and in a big dead spot. Talk about moving targets on a race course.

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Response Posted - 09/17/2008 : 21:54:34

Wow! Unless you have a really long lense, they never let us get that close to a sub around here! If I'm a half mile away, I'd better be going the other direction or I'm gonna have a black gunboat with a 50 cal. aimed at me, flagging me down. (They don't look nearly as friendly as yours!) I guess CA is more laid-back.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 09/17/2008 21:57:07

ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 09/18/2008 : 08:25:29

Hmmm... taking that barbie off the rail might be good for .05Kts. :>)

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Sloop Smitten
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Response Posted - 09/18/2008 : 10:40:04

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Hmmm... taking that barbie off the rail might be good for .05Kts. :>)<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Depends. If we're on a run it could be good for an additonal .05 knot. And we know from experince that if you prop the lid up during a run it's good for a solid 1/2 knot!

Edited by - Sloop Smitten on 09/18/2008 10:40:56

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Response Posted - 09/18/2008 : 11:15:06

I keep trying to find the Barbie!

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 09/18/2008 : 11:32:53

I could take a lot of weight off the boat:

barbie on rail
anchor with 50 feet of chain in the bow
2nd anchor with 20 feet of chain in the lazerette
6 headsails
various cruising supplies
tool kit and spare parts
extra water, food, drinks, snacks
cushions, blankets, pillows
those wooden boards under the cushions

The competitive Cat 27s use a 3 or 4 hp outboard and take it off the stern and stow it below during the race.

Trouble is I have to find a place to store all that stuff, I can't just leave it on the dock. AND I have a 4 to 6 hour round trip to sail from Mission Bay just to the start line and return from the finish line so I feel I need my stuff in case I get forced to overnight.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 09/18/2008 : 11:45:50

We had a good start, in the middle of the fleet, at the pin end, on starboard tack. It was very light air. We could barely get over the line. As to the sub, we saw it too. The RC called on the radio and said to clear the channel well in advance. We went south of the channel to get out of the way. We were caught in a hole for about 2 hours, making about 1 knot.

Keep in mind we were doublehanded which is a bit short for a spin boat (crew of 3 is perfect). Charlie was on helm and pit and I was foredeck/trimmer most of the day.

The wind came up and shifted and we went up spin. We were making real good time and catching up to many boats when we saw all the boats ahead drop their chutes. We soon got a lot of wind, so much that one of the starboard stanchions broke under the strain of the spin pole guy laying along side it. (It was already cracked at the base - I replaced them this week at significant expense). We did a good douse and then went up jib - there was too much wind to get the jib up and then spinnaker down!

From that point on in the race we seemed to be dead last and yet never dropped much below 6 knots. We could have gone up spin on the backside of the island but we were in a blow and only back there about 15 minutes.

The trip back was a close reach, we did some sail flattening. The new main worked great.

When we crossed the finish line we were making 6.8 knots over the ground (on a flood current). We averaged 4.3 for the day which I think is pretty good.

After all that we then had a 2.5 hour trip back to Mission Bay in the dark. We used my newly piloted route through the inside of the kelp, along the cliffs, staying in 20 feet of water. Back in the slip by 9:30 PM, we had a 13.5 hour day, then went to a barbeque place.

Pictures will be up soon, maybe tonight.

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Keith D.
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Response Posted - 09/18/2008 : 21:25:47

Dave The picture of the sub was taken with a long telephoto lens, x10 optical and a x8 digital zoom; we were at least a half a mile away. That is why it looks like the patrol boat is close to the sub and the sail boat on the other side looks like it is also right next to it. With a long telephoto the depth of field goes down to nothing. We also ran into the same dead spot Jim got into, with a barber haul on the jib we managed 2 knots. At that point we were calculating we would get on by 10 PM. I am sure glad the wind picked up.

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smoken
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Response Posted - 09/18/2008 : 22:18:53

Jim, congrats on the race! Keith took some great pictures of your boat. I think you were sitting in my seat. As for the BBQ, I mounted mine yesterday!

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 09/18/2008 : 23:03:48

photos added

click below

http://www.indiscipline.org/cat25/cra0908.html

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Response Posted - 09/19/2008 : 07:16:28

great to see Terry and Deb, nice Association shirt!

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