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chris
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Initially Posted - 10/20/2008 :  21:44:49  Show Profile
Roughly what does Cat 25, swing, wing, fin weigh, w and w/o trailer? thanks chris
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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 10/21/2008 :  00:13:52  Show Profile
Lot's of discussion on this topic. From what I've read, expect the boat and gear to be 4,500 - 5,500 lbs, and another 1,000 - 1,200 lbs for the trailer. Best to plan on a weight range of 6,500 - 7,000 lbs total.
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newell
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Response Posted - 10/21/2008 :  06:56:12  Show Profile
My boat weighs 6202lbs on the trailer.

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pastmember
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Response Posted - 10/21/2008 :  08:41:17  Show Profile
As a side point, most feel the dual 3500lb axle trailers under our boats are at their upper limits.
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Doug C.
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Response Posted - 10/21/2008 :  12:29:55  Show Profile
I've had my boat/trailer on a scale. With gear on board it came in at 8000 lbs. Stripped down it was 7200. This is for a 1990 with wing keel and Trailrite roller trailer.

Something to note is that with all gear aboard the tongue weight was 1200 lbs. This exceeds the ratings for most receivers/hitches.
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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 10/21/2008 :  15:39:31  Show Profile
My swing came in just over 6K with empty tanks and little gear on board, but I call it 6200 since there might be a few things I've forgotten to remove. The nature of my towing, to and from marinas twice a year, means that don't need to have much on board when transporting it.

I better call it 250 with the new 4 stroke, it really is 30 pounds heavier.
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JimB517
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Response Posted - 10/21/2008 :  15:42:51  Show Profile  Visit JimB517's Homepage
Too bad that PHRF uses a weight of 4500 lbs to rate our boats. At about 1 ton heavier, we should get a much better rating!

6000 lbs is good for planning, and I'd guess 1500 for the trailer.

7500 total for your tow vehicle. Long wheelbase is your friend!
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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 10/21/2008 :  23:02:11  Show Profile
I don't think a swing can weigh a whole lot more 4500 empty if two of use have come in at 6200 (I no longer have my weight slip, but it was under 6100) on the trailer. Unfortunately, if you are stocked up on drinks, food, ice, and tools it can get heavy fast. Maybe the trailer is lighter than I think, but 1500 seems reasonable. I'll have to get a new weight this winter and then get an empty trailer weight.
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Response Posted - 10/22/2008 :  17:17:29  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Doug C.</i>
<br />I've had my boat/trailer on a scale. With gear on board it came in at 8000 lbs. Stripped down it was 7200. This is for a 1990 with wing keel and Trailrite roller trailer.

Something to note is that with all gear aboard the tongue weight was 1200 lbs. This exceeds the ratings for most receivers/hitches.
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That is lots of tongue weight for an 8k boat. I think I'd try to reduce that a bit, maybe slide the boat back on the trailer a bit, move gear aft, etc. I have a diesel dually pick up, and the max I can bumper pull with a WD hitch is 1,500 tongue weight and 12,000 total weight. If you have a light duty truck or SUV, you probably are exceeding the rating for the receiver.
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Response Posted - 10/23/2008 :  12:31:42  Show Profile
One more point of information regarding tow capacity. The actual tow capacity of any vehicle is its GCWR minus the weight of the tow vehicle when ready to tow.
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Prospector
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Response Posted - 10/23/2008 :  14:56:32  Show Profile  Visit Prospector's Homepage
So the owners manual on my "truck" says that it has up to 5500 lbs towing capacity depending on the rear end in it. How do I find out which rear end it has?

Also, the biggest hitch I can get installed is a class 2, which severely limits towing capacity. Why wouldn't they sell a class 3 for a vehicle that can tow more than a class 2?
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Response Posted - 10/24/2008 :  13:39:13  Show Profile
To find the rear end that is in your TV, check the back of the owner's manual. My manual has an explanation of the VIN...one of those letters/numbmers will tell you which rear end it has. If that does not work, call the manufacturer with the VIN.

What do you mean by saying a Class 2 is the biggest hitch you can get installed? You can go to a truck outfitter...he'll install whatever you want him to install.
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Happy D
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Response Posted - 10/24/2008 :  15:04:15  Show Profile
Prospector,
What is your truck?
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cshaw
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Response Posted - 11/01/2008 :  11:04:35  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by chris</i>
<br />Roughly what does Cat 25, swing, wing, fin weigh, w and w/o trailer? thanks chris
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Chris,

Confetti is a Cat 25 fin keel. Boat and trailer weighed #7880. Trailer weighed a little over #1800 on a separate scale (it was built like a bridge!). That leaves #6080 for the boat and all her gear, spars, and outboard.

Chuck
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Prospector
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Response Posted - 11/01/2008 :  11:42:54  Show Profile  Visit Prospector's Homepage
OK my "Truck" doesn't work for what I need.

Our "truck" is a 1994 Astro Van, which is very torquey, and has a lot of power, but apparently the wrong rear-end. I was at the dealership this morning and got them to check off my vin number. We are only set up to pull 4500 lbs. I'll have to watch for another astro with the tow package.

BTW for folks looking for a cheap "truck," the Astros are hard to beat. Most of them have interiors that are pre-trashed, they're rear wheel drive, they pull more than a light truck (ie. Ranger, Dakota), and you'll never have to buy a cap for them. I picked mine up for $800 a year ago and it's going great with over 300,000 km on a 6-banger. On the downside, I didn't get he 4wd model (would have cost another $400...) and I wish I had. The downside of the downside is that the 4wd with the lower rear end only pulls 5000 lbs.
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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 11/01/2008 :  11:55:22  Show Profile
The downside of the downside of the downside is that at 111" wheelbase and 3900 lbs., the tail is gonna wag that dog.
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Prospector
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Response Posted - 11/01/2008 :  12:29:26  Show Profile  Visit Prospector's Homepage
You may be right Dave, so far the biggest I've gone is with the tandem axle car "car hauler" pulling cradles around. So far no wagging at all. But even the heaviest of those cradles (20+ ft cradle built of 4" square tubing probably doesn't compete with the weight of my keel alone.

Luckily we launch about 10 minutes from home (5 miles on back roads) and can do the trip in the "off-hours." I think I'll risk it in the spring next year at very low speeds etc. If I had to go much further I would look at other options. BTW brochure weight on my boat is 4500 lbs, trailer weight is estimated at 1500lbs. At 6000 I am well over weight. I will be sure to upgrade the brakes on the trailer before any boat pulling.

My point above is that for a cheap "truck" the Astros work well, but aren't suited to towing a C-25 any distance at all.
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