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scut941
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Initially Posted - 11/14/2008 :  12:06:26  Show Profile
I am thinking of buying the 25" shaft, but was concerned about the problems people were having with the engine tilting when putting the engine in reverse.

Have these problems been resolved?

I was debating between the new tohatsu or a 2003 mercury big foot for about $600 less. Thoughts?

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jason glasstein
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John Russell
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Response Posted - 11/14/2008 :  12:21:55  Show Profile
I've never had that problem with my Tohatsu Ultra-Long (25") shaft 9.8 motor.

It's been said that the Mercury is a Tohatsu with a different cover. They're made by the same people (Tohatsu) If you can get it for $600 less, it's a no-brainer for me. Where's that bargain? Do you know that Association members get a discount from an online vendor?
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 11/14/2008 :  15:06:16  Show Profile
That Mercury has something that no other outboard has, an interated shifter/throttle on the tiller.

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DaveR
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Response Posted - 11/14/2008 :  15:15:48  Show Profile  Visit DaveR's Homepage
I've got an 01 Tohatsu 8 and don't have that or any problems with it but that shift on the throttle sounds great.
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John Russell
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Response Posted - 11/14/2008 :  16:01:35  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by dlucier</i>
<br />That Mercury has something that no other outboard has, an interated shifter/throttle on the tiller.


<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Oh, yeah, that's something else that would make me lean toward the Mercury version.
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JimB517
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Response Posted - 11/14/2008 :  16:36:16  Show Profile  Visit JimB517's Homepage
no problems with my Tohatsu 9.8 lock pin, it does not tilt in reverse.
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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 11/14/2008 :  18:07:44  Show Profile
I love my new bigfoot, but it is heavy due to the larger bearings, bushings, and gears. The lower gear ratio (numerically higher) pushing the big four blade prop really moves a displacement boat well. The powerhead is the same as the Tohatsu, and Tohatsu builds it to Mercury specs. The non-bigfoot small Mercuries are Tohatsus with Mercury throttle/shift. The throttle/shift also locks the motor down when you shift into reverse. But a new Tohatsu for $600 dollars more than a 5 year old Merc? I might go Tohatsu, but the throttle/shift is really sweet. I took the Online Outboards Tohatsu price to WM and got a significant price cut on the Merc, but it was still 300-400 more than the Tohatsu
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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 11/14/2008 :  21:38:12  Show Profile
The 2003 Mercury Bigfoot was a really heavy machine--up around 125 lbs.--nothing close to the new Tohatsu/Nissan/Merc model--and I'm virtually certain it <i>did not</i> come in a 25" version. I think you should look hard at the Tohatsu and, for the integrated throttle/shifter, the newer Merc. Most especially, don't skimp on shaft length on a 25' sailboat in big water.
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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 11/15/2008 :  20:11:34  Show Profile
Are you sure that the Merc is a Bigfoot - it is prominently displayed on the housing. Merc also markets their standard 9,9, and it is the same as the Tohatsu except for the shifter. They are all good good engines, the Bigfoot just has a 2.41 gear and beefier lower unit components and was initially marketed to the commercial market.
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britinusa
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Response Posted - 11/15/2008 :  20:12:19  Show Profile  Visit britinusa's Homepage
No problems with the kickup here either.

Paul
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delliottg
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Response Posted - 11/15/2008 :  21:29:29  Show Profile  Visit delliottg's Homepage
Ditto.
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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 11/16/2008 :  07:31:31  Show Profile
I've resolved the kick-up problem on our 9.8 Nissan/Tohatsu. It's only 93 lbs with elec. start, and pushes the C-25 to hull speed at only about half throttle. Sweet, I love it. Also, the 25" shaft is a must. Dealing with OnlineOutboards was a very pleasant experience. Motor was delivered to my office by UPS, and we just slid the box from their truck right into the back of my van. At home all I had to do was add motor oil. Gear oil was already in the lower unit. Test fired at home in a bucket of water using a spare auto battery and it started immediately. One caution, do not overfill the oil. If it doesn't come with their oil (800 ml) use only about 2/3 to 3/4 qt at first and check the dipstick. A full qt is way too much.
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delliottg
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Response Posted - 11/16/2008 :  13:46:12  Show Profile  Visit delliottg's Homepage
Wanted to pop back in regarding fuel consumption and other considerations. I added a Tiny Tach to my Tohatsu, and at 1400 RPM, it'll push SL at 4.5 knots. That's barely 1/4 throttle. I don't have an idea how far I can go on that throttle setting, but I'd suspect hours & hours. Other than the hassle it took to install it, which had nothing to do with the engine really, we really like this new engine. Quiet, easy to start, no cavitation anymore, and much less smell than our previous 2-stroke. And I had a similar experience with having the engine delivered from Online, except in my case, the FedEx guy helped me hang it on the transom.
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