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mikeguyver
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Initially Posted - 01/19/2009 : 22:30:57

Does anyone have any experience with an after mast furling main sail on a C250 ?

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redviking
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Response Posted - 01/20/2009 : 00:17:06

never seen that one... I like lazy jacks, slab or in boom before in mast or aft mast furling. If you go with aft mast, A. you may not have battens, B. reef points are weird and unbalanced, C. keep a knife handy, if it jams - just stab it and let it flail.

Sten

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SV Lysistrata - C&C 39 - on the hard - temporary timeout in Portland OR to care for mom

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pastmember
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Response Posted - 01/20/2009 : 09:14:37

CDI makes them

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Patrice C25
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Response Posted - 01/20/2009 : 12:03:58

Never used one, but from what I've heard. It change the boat balance, it move the center of effort back. Sail has to be recut, much like headsail furler.

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 01/20/2009 : 12:51:37

I saw one of these at a distance on what appeared to be a C25 or C27 (may have been a different make) when I was checking out my new slip a few weeks ago. I'll be moving in on the 1st and can get some pictures at that time if the boats still there. If anyones interested let me know.

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mikeguyver
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Response Posted - 01/20/2009 : 21:29:27

Thank you. By the way Redviking,this boat is in Portland Or
Other than the goofy mainsail it is just what we were looking for.

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 01/20/2009 : 22:14:01

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
[brIf you go with aft mast, A. you may not have battens, B. reef points are weird and unbalanced, C. keep a knife handy, if it jams - just stab it and let it flail.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">A. You can have vertical battens, and therefore some roach is possible.

B. What's weird about partially rolling the sail? A movable car on the boom might help with shape when reefed.

C. I would think an aft-mast system is less prone to jams than in-mast or in-boom... and not much more than a jib furler (since it's essentially the same thing).

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redviking
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Response Posted - 01/21/2009 : 13:52:09

Quote: "Thank you. By the way Redviking,this boat is in Portland Or
Other than the goofy mainsail it is just what we were looking for."

Want me to help survey it? I need to do something interesting sailing oriented as I am going plum f--king nuts. Get this, my dumbass redneck brother built a ramp for Mom's wheelchair and then proceeded to push her down it at 28 knots - gotta keep it nautical - until her legs folded up under her chair and she faceplanted with my brother lying on top of her. Went to ER, BRO did NOT!, she checked out fine except for the huge lump on her head... Out of here 2-11-09.... Let me know, need the diversion...

Quote: "A. You can have vertical battens, and therefore some roach is possible.

B. What's weird about partially rolling the sail? A movable car on the boom might help with shape when reefed.

C. I would think an aft-mast system is less prone to jams than in-mast or in-boom... and not much more than a jib furler (since it's essentially the same thing)."

A. yes SOME have vertical battens, but it is reported to be a pain in the ass.

B. What's weird? Dude, the exhaust gasses are affecting your memory

changes the center of balance.... hello?

C. NEGATIVE! When an in mast jams, you are done! Stab it! An in boom still allows traditional drops in an emergency...

whew!

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 01/21/2009 : 15:41:47

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
 A. yes SOME have vertical battens, but it is reported to be a pain in the ass.

B. What's weird? Dude, the exhaust gasses are affecting your memory

changes the center of balance.... hello?

C. NEGATIVE! When an in mast jams, you are done! Stab it! An in boom still allows traditional drops in an emergency...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Sten, I can see I caught you in a mood...

What a mess! Now... (deep breath, it's sailing...)

A. I just meant you can--when the roll is vertical. They probably cause more pains with in-mast than behind-the-mast.

B. How does the CE move forward any more than it does with a normal reef? You end up with the same shape in the same position relative to the boom and mast. Besides, I kinda like that hazy CO hit!

C. Agreed, although behind-the-mast is a lot less likely to jam than in-mast. It's essentially identical to a headsail furler--all external with a simpler, more reliable upper swivel that won't cause a halyard-wrap like a jib furler can. I will say, however, it looks a little... er... odd.

All that said, a behind-the-mast furler is bound to compromise performance in favor of convenience. The sail size and shape will not match a standard mainsail. Some sailors will look at you like you're sailing a MacGregor... But apparently this is a boat with the system installed--it is what it is--sailing it is how to find out what it is. Just don't expect to be competitive at the Catalina 25/250 Nationals, or to be able to compete under PHRF with a C-250 rating.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 01/21/2009 16:16:37

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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 01/21/2009 : 16:24:33

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redviking
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Response Posted - 01/21/2009 : 22:18:31

sorry to differ Dave, you may be correct on a number of points, however a reefed traditional main MAY present a lower CoG than a reefed furler main. Mood? What mood? Sorry...

sten aka bob shhh!

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 01/21/2009 : 23:40:09

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
 ...a reefed traditional main MAY present a lower CoG than a reefed furler main...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Agreed, "bob"--reefed or unreefed, the foot is probably lower to the boom. The CoE is probably lower, too.

Now, I think you should get on the case and replace these theories with observations.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 01/24/2009 : 12:59:57

Interesting. While I wouldn't want that furler right now I can see where some people would benefit from it. Some sailors are not out to squeeze every .1 knot and are looking for convenience. More convenience = more sailing for them.

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